Israel/Palestine

leftynyc

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19. Oh spare me

Wed Feb 22, 2017, 04:00 PM

Feb 2017

Just look at what's taught in Palestinian schools - you can pretty it up any way you wish but driving Israel into oblivion (is that better?) has been their battle cry for 70 years. That you don't think Israel has the means to completely destroy gaza and has chosen not to do so makes you thoroughly dishonest. Nothing stopping them? How about simple humanity which is something you would never ascribe to Israel or any of their leaders because it would pain you so.

If they had accepted their state in 1947, this wouldn't be happening PERIOD. They lost in 1947 and they lost in 1967. This is what happens when you start wars you can't win - you lose and you suffer the consequences. Too fucking bad. Now they have a choice - they can sit down with their "enemies" and hash out an agreement that will give them nothing like what they've been offered in the past or they can continue to live in misery. That's what suffering the consequences means.

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How a Pro-Palestinian American Reporter Changed His Views on Israel and the Conflict [View all] leftynyc Feb 2017 OP

"this woman was unwilling to admit that Muslims would commit such a horrific attack" ck4829 Feb 2017 #1

Let's not forget leftynyc Feb 2017 #2

"Offered" a state by colonialists wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #5

Now we're considering leftynyc Feb 2017 #6

Yes, the plan was drawn up by a bunch of former colonists wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #9

Non-natives? leftynyc Feb 2017 #10

"I'm guessing, you think terrorism should be rewarded" wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #11

I'm sure you must know leftynyc Feb 2017 #14

So how should the non-natives be accommodated hack89 Feb 2017 #12

It was never a colony sabbat hunter Feb 2017 #22

How else will they get a state? By seizing one through violence? hack89 Feb 2017 #7

It is an interesting read. The problem I have with it is that, DanTex Feb 2017 #3

Only one side has proven leftynyc Feb 2017 #4

Nothing would be better if the unjust occupation of Gaza had continued. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #13

You OBVIOUSLY have zero leftynyc Feb 2017 #15

I don't desire any such thing. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #16

You honestly don't think leftynyc Feb 2017 #17

Nothing has constrained Netanyahu from doing anything he wanted. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #18

Oh spare me leftynyc Feb 2017 #19

Israel as a country has humanity, as do ordinary Palestinians on a person-to-person basis. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #20

The stabbing leftynyc Feb 2017 #21

That leaves an implied sylogism that forces an obvious question FBaggins Mar 2017 #44

My theory: more than anything else, it's the pragmatic need to present the appearance Ken Burch Mar 2017 #45

SO HOW THE HELL did it all start? Israeli Feb 2017 #25

If you think continuing leftynyc Feb 2017 #26

You should remember that "Israeli" actually lives in Israel. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #27

I'm very well aware of where leftynyc Mar 2017 #28

What I'm saying is that BOTH groups have real ties to this land. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #29

Have you ever been to Israel? leftynyc Mar 2017 #30

If you detest Netanyahu, then you should call him out on his habit of equating any disagreement Ken Burch Mar 2017 #31

Trying to pretend leftynyc Mar 2017 #33

If I shake my fists at rank-and-file Palestinians, all of whom are powerless Ken Burch Mar 2017 #34

well said Ken .... Israeli Mar 2017 #35

Spare me the revisionism leftynyc Mar 2017 #36

I didn't lie. I don't have time to go back and check, but the implication was always there. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #37

ALWAYS there? leftynyc Mar 2017 #39

I realize that you think that. There have always been SOME people who have done that. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #41

"" I have no intention of proving myself to you because I don't care enough to take the time.' "" Israeli Mar 2017 #38

So much space leftynyc Mar 2017 #40

Shame ....... Israeli Mar 2017 #42

alternativly ..... Israeli Mar 2017 #43

BTW - your statement leftynyc Feb 2017 #24

Hamas sabbat hunter Feb 2017 #23

There is no way to defeat them without using completely scorched-earth tactics. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #32

Fantastic read. Thank you so much for posting this, Leftnyc. grossproffit Feb 2017 #8