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Israel/Palestine

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leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:53 AM Feb 2017

How a Pro-Palestinian American Reporter Changed His Views on Israel and the Conflict [View all]

First of all, even the kindest, most educated, upper-class Palestinians reject 100 percent of Israel ‒ not just the occupation of East Jerusalem and the West Bank. They simply will not be content with a two-state solution ‒ what they want is to return to their ancestral homes in Ramle and Jaffa and Haifa and other places in 1948 Israel, within the Green Line. And they want the Israelis who live there now to leave. They almost never speak of coexistence; they speak of expulsion, of taking back “their” land.

To me, however morally complicated the creation of Israel may have been, however many innocent Palestinians were killed and displaced from their homes in 1948 and again in 1967, Israel is now a fact, accepted by almost every government in the world (including many in the Middle East). But the ongoing desire of Palestinians to wipe Israel off the map is unproductive and backward- looking and the West must be very careful not to encourage it.

The other thing is that a large percentage of Palestinians, even among the educated upper class, believe that most Islamic terrorism is actually engineered by Western governments to make Muslims look bad. I know this sounds absurd. It’s a conspiracy theory that’s comical until you hear it repeated again and again as I did. I can hardly count how many Palestinians told me the stabbing attacks in Israel in 2015 and 2016 were fake or that the CIA had created ISIS.

For example, after the November 2015 ISIS shootings in Paris that killed 150 people, a colleague of mine ‒ an educated 27-year-old Lebanese-Palestinian journalist ‒ casually remarked that those massacres were “probably” perpetrated by the Mossad. Though she was a journalist like me and ought to have been committed to searching out the truth no matter how unpleasant, this woman was unwilling to admit that Muslims would commit such a horrific attack, and all too willing ‒ in defiance of all the facts ‒ to blame it on Israeli spies.

http://www.jpost.com/Jerusalem-Report/A-view-from-the-frontlines-480829



Interesting read. How do you deal with people who have such a distorted view of reality? The Mossad did Paris? The stabbing attacks were the CIA? ALL Muslims are innocent little kittens? I mean, holy shit.


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"this woman was unwilling to admit that Muslims would commit such a horrific attack" ck4829 Feb 2017 #1
Let's not forget leftynyc Feb 2017 #2
"Offered" a state by colonialists wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #5
Now we're considering leftynyc Feb 2017 #6
Yes, the plan was drawn up by a bunch of former colonists wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #9
Non-natives? leftynyc Feb 2017 #10
"I'm guessing, you think terrorism should be rewarded" wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #11
I'm sure you must know leftynyc Feb 2017 #14
So how should the non-natives be accommodated hack89 Feb 2017 #12
It was never a colony sabbat hunter Feb 2017 #22
How else will they get a state? By seizing one through violence? hack89 Feb 2017 #7
It is an interesting read. The problem I have with it is that, DanTex Feb 2017 #3
Only one side has proven leftynyc Feb 2017 #4
Nothing would be better if the unjust occupation of Gaza had continued. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #13
You OBVIOUSLY have zero leftynyc Feb 2017 #15
I don't desire any such thing. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #16
You honestly don't think leftynyc Feb 2017 #17
Nothing has constrained Netanyahu from doing anything he wanted. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #18
Oh spare me leftynyc Feb 2017 #19
Israel as a country has humanity, as do ordinary Palestinians on a person-to-person basis. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #20
The stabbing leftynyc Feb 2017 #21
That leaves an implied sylogism that forces an obvious question FBaggins Mar 2017 #44
My theory: more than anything else, it's the pragmatic need to present the appearance Ken Burch Mar 2017 #45
SO HOW THE HELL did it all start? Israeli Feb 2017 #25
If you think continuing leftynyc Feb 2017 #26
You should remember that "Israeli" actually lives in Israel. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #27
I'm very well aware of where leftynyc Mar 2017 #28
What I'm saying is that BOTH groups have real ties to this land. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #29
Have you ever been to Israel? leftynyc Mar 2017 #30
If you detest Netanyahu, then you should call him out on his habit of equating any disagreement Ken Burch Mar 2017 #31
Trying to pretend leftynyc Mar 2017 #33
If I shake my fists at rank-and-file Palestinians, all of whom are powerless Ken Burch Mar 2017 #34
well said Ken .... Israeli Mar 2017 #35
Spare me the revisionism leftynyc Mar 2017 #36
I didn't lie. I don't have time to go back and check, but the implication was always there. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #37
ALWAYS there? leftynyc Mar 2017 #39
I realize that you think that. There have always been SOME people who have done that. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #41
"" I have no intention of proving myself to you because I don't care enough to take the time.' "" Israeli Mar 2017 #38
So much space leftynyc Mar 2017 #40
Shame ....... Israeli Mar 2017 #42
alternativly ..... Israeli Mar 2017 #43
BTW - your statement leftynyc Feb 2017 #24
Hamas sabbat hunter Feb 2017 #23
There is no way to defeat them without using completely scorched-earth tactics. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #32
Fantastic read. Thank you so much for posting this, Leftnyc. grossproffit Feb 2017 #8
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