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In reply to the discussion: We’re American Jewish Historians. This Is Why We’ve Left Zionism Behind [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)75. Law of Return is only racist when Israel does it, right?
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-law-of-return-only-racist-when-israel-does-it/
Yes, the Law of Return clearly constitutes an example of ethnic favoritism. However, Israel is far from alone from enacting such a law. There are many other countries across the globe that favor one ethnicity over all others in regards to immigration. This principle is called jus sanguinis (Latin for right of blood). Countries that invoke jus sanguinis laws include, among others:
Armenia Article 14 of the Constitution of the Republic of Armenia states Individuals of Armenian origin shall acquire citizenship of the Republic of Armenia through a simplified procedure.
Bulgaria Article 25(2) of the Constitution of the Republic of Bulgaria states A person of Bulgarian origin shall acquire Bulgarian citizenship through a facilitated procedure.
Croatia Article 16 of the Law on Croatian Citizenship states A person who belongs to the Croatian people with no domicile in the Republic of Croatia can acquire Croatian citizenship if he fulfills the requirements of Article 8, Paragraph 1, Point 5 of this Act.
Hungary Section 4(3) of the Hungarian Citizenship Act states If the requirements set out in Paragraphs b) and d) of Subsection (1) are satisfied, upon request a non-Hungarian citizen whose ascendant was a Hungarian citizen or who is able to substantiate of being of Hungarian origin may be naturalized on preferential terms, if he/she proves that he/she is sufficiently proficient in the Hungarian language.
Lithuania Article 32(4) of the Constitution of the Republic of Lithuania states Everyone who is Lithuanian may settle in Lithuania.
Poland Article 52(5) of the Constitution of the Republic of Poland states Anyone whose Polish origin has been confirmed in accordance with statute may settle permanently in Poland.
Serbia Article 23 of the Law on Citizenship of the Republic of Serbia states A member of Serbian or another nation or ethnic group from the territory of the Republic of Serbia, who is not residing in the territory of the Republic of Serbia, can be admitted to citizenship of the Republic of Serbia if he is 18 years old and if he is not deprived of working capacity and if he submits a written statement considering the Republic of Serbia his own state.
How come we never hear any of the countries listed above being accused of apartheid? Or what about countries like Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Djibouti, Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia, Syria, the United Arab Emirates or Yemen that dont even allow Israeli passport holders to enter their country. Bahrain, Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen take it a step further and deny entry to anyone who has an Israeli stamp in their passport, regardless of nationality. Where is all the angst over that?
There is a difference between the Jewish people and all the ethnic groups listed above. The Jewish people have been subjected to persecution for centuries after being exiled from their land by the Romans in 70 CE. The other ethnic groups have not been expelled from their land or suffered the persecution the Jews have experienced. The Jewish people are still recovering from their expulsion from the Land of Israel almost 2,000 years ago.
Yes, the Law of Return clearly constitutes an example of ethnic favoritism. However, Israel is far from alone from enacting such a law. There are many other countries across the globe that favor one ethnicity over all others in regards to immigration. This principle is called jus sanguinis (Latin for right of blood). Countries that invoke jus sanguinis laws include, among others:
Armenia Article 14 of the Constitution of the Republic of Armenia states Individuals of Armenian origin shall acquire citizenship of the Republic of Armenia through a simplified procedure.
Bulgaria Article 25(2) of the Constitution of the Republic of Bulgaria states A person of Bulgarian origin shall acquire Bulgarian citizenship through a facilitated procedure.
Croatia Article 16 of the Law on Croatian Citizenship states A person who belongs to the Croatian people with no domicile in the Republic of Croatia can acquire Croatian citizenship if he fulfills the requirements of Article 8, Paragraph 1, Point 5 of this Act.
Hungary Section 4(3) of the Hungarian Citizenship Act states If the requirements set out in Paragraphs b) and d) of Subsection (1) are satisfied, upon request a non-Hungarian citizen whose ascendant was a Hungarian citizen or who is able to substantiate of being of Hungarian origin may be naturalized on preferential terms, if he/she proves that he/she is sufficiently proficient in the Hungarian language.
Lithuania Article 32(4) of the Constitution of the Republic of Lithuania states Everyone who is Lithuanian may settle in Lithuania.
Poland Article 52(5) of the Constitution of the Republic of Poland states Anyone whose Polish origin has been confirmed in accordance with statute may settle permanently in Poland.
Serbia Article 23 of the Law on Citizenship of the Republic of Serbia states A member of Serbian or another nation or ethnic group from the territory of the Republic of Serbia, who is not residing in the territory of the Republic of Serbia, can be admitted to citizenship of the Republic of Serbia if he is 18 years old and if he is not deprived of working capacity and if he submits a written statement considering the Republic of Serbia his own state.
How come we never hear any of the countries listed above being accused of apartheid? Or what about countries like Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Djibouti, Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia, Syria, the United Arab Emirates or Yemen that dont even allow Israeli passport holders to enter their country. Bahrain, Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen take it a step further and deny entry to anyone who has an Israeli stamp in their passport, regardless of nationality. Where is all the angst over that?
There is a difference between the Jewish people and all the ethnic groups listed above. The Jewish people have been subjected to persecution for centuries after being exiled from their land by the Romans in 70 CE. The other ethnic groups have not been expelled from their land or suffered the persecution the Jews have experienced. The Jewish people are still recovering from their expulsion from the Land of Israel almost 2,000 years ago.
There are also more western EU and NATO nations...
Greece: Ethnic Greeks can obtain Greek citizenship by two methods under the Code of Greek Nationality. Article 5 allows ethnic Greeks who are stateless (which, in practice, includes those who voluntarily renounce their nationality) to obtain citizenship upon application to a Greek consular official.
Italy: The nationality law of Italy bestows citizenship jure sanguinis. There is no limit of generations for the citizenship via blood. However, the first citizens of the modern Italian state were alive on 17 March 1861 when the state was officially formed, and for this reason all claims of Italian citizenship by jure sanguinis must stem from an ancestor who was living after 16 March 1861.
Spain: A Spanish law passed in 2015 allows individuals who can prove descent from the Sephardic Jews who were exiled in 1492 following the Alhambra Decree and who can show a "special link" to Spain to apply for dual citizenship. Spain had previously allowed application for such individuals but had required that they give up their citizenship from their other country. The new law has no such requirement.[13]
Turkey: Turkish law allows persons of Turkish origin and their spouse and children, to apply for naturalization without the five-year waiting period applicable to other immigrants. Turkey and Greece reciprocally expelled their minorities in the early 1920s after World War I. They were mandated by international treaty to accept incoming populations as citizens based on ethnic background.
Italy: The nationality law of Italy bestows citizenship jure sanguinis. There is no limit of generations for the citizenship via blood. However, the first citizens of the modern Italian state were alive on 17 March 1861 when the state was officially formed, and for this reason all claims of Italian citizenship by jure sanguinis must stem from an ancestor who was living after 16 March 1861.
Spain: A Spanish law passed in 2015 allows individuals who can prove descent from the Sephardic Jews who were exiled in 1492 following the Alhambra Decree and who can show a "special link" to Spain to apply for dual citizenship. Spain had previously allowed application for such individuals but had required that they give up their citizenship from their other country. The new law has no such requirement.[13]
Turkey: Turkish law allows persons of Turkish origin and their spouse and children, to apply for naturalization without the five-year waiting period applicable to other immigrants. Turkey and Greece reciprocally expelled their minorities in the early 1920s after World War I. They were mandated by international treaty to accept incoming populations as citizens based on ethnic background.
But it's only racist when Israel does it.
Is that right?
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We’re American Jewish Historians. This Is Why We’ve Left Zionism Behind [View all]
Little Tich
Aug 2016
OP
The American Jews Who've Exchanged Their Utopian Myths About Israel for Demonic Ones
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#1
Hyperbole a little? "Demonic ones?" You sound like an ill-educated evangelical christian.
Nitram
Aug 2016
#3
"It is hard to know whether to be more offended by their arrogance or their idiocy."
shira
Aug 2016
#2
The historians argue that Israel should become a democracy instead of "a Jewish State."
Nitram
Aug 2016
#4
I see that NetaNyahu has threateneed to shoot "stone throwers," or sentence them to 20-year terms.
Nitram
Aug 2016
#30
You seem to be arguing that Israeli racism and discrimination towards Arabs is justified?
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#35
Just contextualizing the situation as Israel has been under attack since 1948....
shira
Aug 2016
#48
I currently live in Australia, so I'm well aware of Australian racist attitudes.
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#37
I think it's more likely that it's Israel's treatment of Palestinians that's the main cause for
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#22
Of course it is. The vicious, racist, genocidal hatreds of Palestinian leaders....
shira
Aug 2016
#56
Some people look at the right of return as a right to return to their ancestral homeland,
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#65
You believe the LoR is racist because you support the destruction of the Jewish state....
shira
Aug 2016
#66
Ah. So what Israel is doing to the Palestinians in the name of Zionism would be considered racism if
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#69
I think that all attempts to refute the OP have failed sofar. Hasia Diner and Marjorie Feld are
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#39
I think the OP has a valid point when it comes to Jewish communities not in Israel.
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#51
Perhaps the Israeli government should spend more time protecting children than censoring twitter.
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#73
You should put all your posts into a blog "israeycool -watch" would be a good name...
King_David
Aug 2016
#33