Israel/Palestine

DetlefK

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63. Let's try this for the last time:

Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:09 AM

Aug 2016

Are the Westbank-Palestinians in area C subject to laws passed by the israeli legislative?

Are the Westbank-Palestinians in area C subject to decisions made by israeli courts?

Are the Westbank-Palestinians in area C subject to israeli law-enforcers?

If Yes, then the Westbank-Palestinians of Area C are de facto israeli citizens and Area C is de facto israeli territory.

My issue with this topic is how Israel exerts control over the Westbank and at the same time pretends to have no control over the Westbank.
Israel is the one with the guns and the bulldozers. The people of the state Israel are forcing their sovereignty and their will on these people and this land. Accordingly, the Westbank-Palestinians in Area C (and Area C itself) are wards of the state Israel. Except that Israel weasels its way out of the responsibilities that come with this power.

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We’re American Jewish Historians. This Is Why We’ve Left Zionism Behind [View all] Little Tich Aug 2016 OP

The American Jews Who've Exchanged Their Utopian Myths About Israel for Demonic Ones Little Tich Aug 2016 #1

Hyperbole a little? "Demonic ones?" You sound like an ill-educated evangelical christian. Nitram Aug 2016 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Aug 2016 #20

"It is hard to know whether to be more offended by their arrogance or their idiocy." shira Aug 2016 #2

The historians argue that Israel should become a democracy instead of "a Jewish State." Nitram Aug 2016 #4

Israel is a democracy oberliner Aug 2016 #7

Israel does indeed 'claim' to be a democracy. Nitram Aug 2016 #9

Israel doesn't have checkpoints within Israel. aranthus Aug 2016 #10

Not legally. But in all practical terms, they are israeli citizens. DetlefK Aug 2016 #52

You don't know what you're writing about. Areas A & B of the W.Bank.... shira Aug 2016 #54

Do they have the authority to arrest Westbank-settlers? DetlefK Aug 2016 #55

Not in areas A and B they don't, because settlers don't live there. shira Aug 2016 #57

Just answer this: DetlefK Aug 2016 #61

You're pretending there's no difference between areas A,B,C.... shira Aug 2016 #62

Let's try this for the last time: DetlefK Aug 2016 #63

Finally....it's now about area C and I admit that's your strongest argument. shira Aug 2016 #64

The historians are arguing that Israel shouldn't be Jewish. aranthus Aug 2016 #11

No state that is tied to a religion can be a true democracy. Nitram Aug 2016 #12

Bull. aranthus Aug 2016 #15

Try driving through an Orthodox community in Israel on Saturday. Nitram Aug 2016 #16

Which has nothing to do with whether the state is democratic.n/t aranthus Aug 2016 #18

In a democracy the rule of law is paramount. Nitram Aug 2016 #25

Where is your proof that they are "allowed"? aranthus Aug 2016 #29

I see that NetaNyahu has threateneed to shoot "stone throwers," or sentence them to 20-year terms. Nitram Aug 2016 #30

The question is whether racism is in line with democratic values. Little Tich Aug 2016 #5

Israel is one of the least racist countries in the world oberliner Aug 2016 #8

Oberliner, on what do you base the claim that Israeel is "ne of the least Nitram Aug 2016 #14

Israel is the most racist democratic country I know of. Little Tich Aug 2016 #21

If you ignore all threats Israel has faced since 1948... shira Aug 2016 #31

You seem to be arguing that Israeli racism and discrimination towards Arabs is justified? Little Tich Aug 2016 #35

Just contextualizing the situation as Israel has been under attack since 1948.... shira Aug 2016 #48

Perhaps we should blame anti-Semitism on "the Jews" too? Little Tich Aug 2016 #49

It's not 100% due to racism. It's a matter of survival. shira Aug 2016 #53

Really? Have you ever been to Australia? King_David Aug 2016 #34

I currently live in Australia, so I'm well aware of Australian racist attitudes. Little Tich Aug 2016 #37

I've been to both Israel and Australia, and no , it's not even close . King_David Aug 2016 #42

Being a Jewish State isn't racist. aranthus Aug 2016 #13

No, but killing and maiming thousands of Palestinian civilians is. Nitram Aug 2016 #17

You are equating what Israel does to defend itself aranthus Aug 2016 #19

Nazi Germany, as you probaly know, invaded Russia with thousands of tanks and Nitram Aug 2016 #26

And the Arabs have made war on Israel for almost 70 years. aranthus Aug 2016 #28

I think it's more likely that it's Israel's treatment of Palestinians that's the main cause for Little Tich Aug 2016 #22

Based on what? aranthus Aug 2016 #27

Gee, thanks making my arguments for me... Little Tich Aug 2016 #38

Just as I thought, you don't have one. aranthus Aug 2016 #45

I don't think the OP is a straw man. Little Tich Aug 2016 #50

Of course it is. The vicious, racist, genocidal hatreds of Palestinian leaders.... shira Aug 2016 #56

They're bigoted towards religious Jews as well... shira Aug 2016 #58

More silliness from the OP... shira Aug 2016 #59

Some people look at the right of return as a right to return to their ancestral homeland, Little Tich Aug 2016 #65

You believe the LoR is racist because you support the destruction of the Jewish state.... shira Aug 2016 #66

So racism is a necessary component of Zionism then? Little Tich Aug 2016 #67

Zionism = Indigenous Jewish people reclaiming their country, self-rule..... shira Aug 2016 #68

Ah. So what Israel is doing to the Palestinians in the name of Zionism would be considered racism if Little Tich Aug 2016 #69

That's the BDS movement, thinking their goal of destroying the Jewish state.... shira Aug 2016 #70

I feel that the OP is running out of steam. Little Tich Aug 2016 #71

The OP has been refuted as utter idiocy throughout the discussion here. n/t shira Aug 2016 #74

Law of Return is only racist when Israel does it, right? shira Aug 2016 #75

It's a good question and you deserve an answer. Little Tich Aug 2016 #76

Israel's LoR policy is no different than other western nations.... shira Aug 2016 #77

BDS calls for the destruction of the Jewish state & supports terror.... shira Aug 2016 #47

Fascinating follow up to your OP Little Tich..... Israeli Aug 2016 #6

This is fun... Little Tich Aug 2016 #24

Diner & Feld are being lambasted for being idiots. shira Aug 2016 #32

I think that all attempts to refute the OP have failed sofar. Hasia Diner and Marjorie Feld are Little Tich Aug 2016 #39

It's an idiotic article. Here's an example... shira Aug 2016 #46

I think the OP has a valid point when it comes to Jewish communities not in Israel. Little Tich Aug 2016 #51

More than 9 in 10 Jews worldwide have a strong connection with Israel... shira Aug 2016 #60

For sure ...... Israeli Aug 2016 #40

Did Gilad Erdan just imply that Haaretz is a threat to Israel's democracy? Little Tich Aug 2016 #43

LOL......... Israeli Aug 2016 #44

Fun could be over ... Israeli Aug 2016 #72

Perhaps the Israeli government should spend more time protecting children than censoring twitter. Little Tich Aug 2016 #73

You should put all your posts into a blog "israeycool -watch" would be a good name... King_David Aug 2016 #33

You are welcome KD .... Israeli Aug 2016 #41

How Did Zionism Become a Dirty Word on Campus? Little Tich Aug 2016 #23

The ‘New York Times’ is dead set on marginalizing Jewish anti-Zionism Little Tich Aug 2016 #36