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Warren Stupidity

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11. no it really isn't.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 06:44 PM
Aug 2012

First of all, there are places where it is entirely appropriate to proposition women, for example a singles bar where men and women go to cruise each other and this behavior is appropriate. That is not what this was about. It was about propositioning complete strangers in public spaces, specifically an elevator at 4am. But I'll go right out on a limb and say we should stop doing this anywhere it is not clearly the expected mode of introduction. Is that really too much to ask? If you don't understand why we should stop,perhaps reading what women have to say about their experiences of our behavior would be a good starting point. I am not a woman so I can only repeat what I have learned from women who have written and spoken about the way men treat women in public spaces. Read the entire discussion around the incident your OP is about. If you still don't understand why we should stop behaving like jerks, then I think perhaps you are not really being honest about it.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 OP
Okay....I'm lost. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #1
No really Dawkins made a complete ass out of himself on this. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #2
You referenced rape and murder 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #3
"Hitting on women equated to rape". Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #4
I'm sure many a rape has started with "hi" 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #5
Oh, come on. Asking someone out is to rape what shaking hands is to punching someone in the face. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #9
no it really isn't. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #11
Look, man, I'm married, so I'm not personally propositioning women at all. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #15
This sort of thing wouldn't happen if women were required to be escorted by a male relative 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #18
Really? You never 'picked up' a woman in a public place? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #8
Did I say I've never done it? No I said we should stop doing it. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #12
Here's what I would say: If it were me, I never would have made the initial approach if I hadn't Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #27
Your suggestion sounds a bit Victorian to me Major Nikon Aug 2012 #35
What's wrong with the blog you linked from A&A? redqueen Aug 2012 #6
Nothing. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #7
try the comments. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #13
And that comment is fucked up. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #17
how is a woman supposed to know which type of man is hitting on her? Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #21
"horndog activity"? Did he try to hump her leg, or something? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #24
See that would have been an example of an inappropriate pickup line 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #19
Also, did you know, SHE'S A WOMAN? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #29
LOL, yeah... and? Herman Cain is black, and that is equally meaningful as whatever point redqueen Aug 2012 #36
You don't remember the threads about Robert Jensen? Really? C'mon. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #37
You know... Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #38
I think Dawkins made the mistake of coming off sounding like a slightly out of touch old coot Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #10
Um you know Dawkins is in my age group. That means he went through the feminist Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #14
He did, but maybe he wasn't paying attention. Maybe he didn't care. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #16
There are three rules to hitting on women in public without eliciting this sort of outcry 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #20
maybe we are unclear on the term "hitting on women". Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #22
So you can talk to women in public but not in any way hint that you might want to have sex 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #25
I don't know. Most of the women I know don't buy into the "Polly Pureblood whose delicate virtue Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #26
and that trivialization of the issue is completely fucked up. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #23
After reading this, the other article, and some of the replies here, I can only say... Behind the Aegis Aug 2012 #28
Let's be real clear: If the "encounter" had continued past her saying no or expressing disinterest, Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #30
I see this happen quite frequently here at DU. Behind the Aegis Aug 2012 #31
Men Will Never Truly Understand A Day In The Life of Women. But Shouldn’t We Try? seabeyond Aug 2012 #32
Agreed. And it goes both ways. Bonobo Aug 2012 #33
I didn't say I didn't understand WHY she might be uncomfortable with a man in an elevator. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #34
This topic was thoroughly hashed over the first time around, so there's not much point in continuing Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #39
OP: Richard Dawkins, Rebecca Watson and a fuss about an elevator Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #40
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