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westerebus

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31. Liberal is what sense? In what context?
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 12:41 AM
Mar 2014

Back to the economic basics? Individual property rights. Free markets. Free trade.

Morphed into capitalism which ran amok.

The rule of law?

The S&L prosecutions compared to the Wall Street windfall of 2008.

Religious freedom?

Atheist liberal or church going liberal on a scale of 1 to 10 who's the liberal?

To be secure in one's own person and one's property?

Foreclosure fraud on an epic scale destroying trillions of dollars of generational wealth building.

Human rights?

America has the largest prison population on the planet.

Organized labor?

Do they have a seat at the table when profit distribution commences?

You can say yes, but, the conservatives caused this and are far far worse. To which I will say, do you not see a pattern here? The last time there was a liberal Congress they impeached Nixon and you could count the liberals in it on two hands.

Progressive policy and liberal ideas are wonderful things. Idealism needs to come to grips with reality.

America rejected Nixon and went for Kennedy, they wanted fresh ideas to inspire them. America got blood instead. LBJ cajoled the Congress into passing the Civil Rights act and then he quit. Nixon to Ford interrupted by Carter. Regan to Bush to Clinton. Bush to Obama.

It is not that difficult to see where the neo-cons came from or the neo-liberal policies they spawned.

Just follow the money. From the arms makers to the poppy fields to the three letter organizations that complete the circle. With the exception of Carter, none of them are liberals.

The idea that liberalism is untarnished is as worthy as conservatism is not rewarded in this country.

Remove the campaign speeches and what do you get? The American Empire in all its ghastly glory.

What is worse is conservatism fails more so.

I reject the idea that a title carries any more burden than it accepted for itself.

I dissent.



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Well... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #10
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80% is far too high hfojvt Mar 2014 #45
I prefer dissident. westerebus Mar 2014 #8
OK... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #11
I will have to get back to you. westerebus Mar 2014 #13
Good morning. westerebus Mar 2014 #27
The current system DOES need change. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #28
Liberal is what sense? In what context? westerebus Mar 2014 #31
Actually, none of those things... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #32
The identification "liberal" does not exist in a vacuum. westerebus Mar 2014 #33
And yet, more speeches. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #34
I have answered your question. You refuse to accept my answer. westerebus Mar 2014 #39
No you have not. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #40
Most of the "reasons" are actually self-justification. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #15
Conservatism endears itself to the idiocy of male machismo. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #16
+1 YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #17
Interesting, but not at all what I'm talking about. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #18
I'm not hijacking the thread. I'm giving you an answer. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #19
Your answer fails to answer the question... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #20
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Not accidental. Illustrative. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #22
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I don't know if it is 'shame' per se. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #24
I'm a Freudian at heart so you have my bias. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #25
I think because a "liberal man" has feminine connotations the_working_poor Mar 2014 #35
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2 reasons for lack of I.D. with liberals... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #37
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I think article speaks to the issue. MicaelS Mar 2014 #29
Interesting points. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #30
Well CFLDem Mar 2014 #44
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