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ElboRuum

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24. I don't know if it is 'shame' per se.

Mon Mar 10, 2014, 12:12 AM

Mar 2014

Like I said, it's not like these men seem to perceive it as shameful. They just refuse it. The question would in my mind be, what in such a person's mind be problematic about either the terms 'liberal' or 'progressive' if it is not perceived as shameful. I just think there's a bit more going on here than conservative=manlyman, liberal=weakman.

While the idolatry of the stereotypical male exists almost everywhere, that would indicate to me the presence of conservatives everywhere. I don't think people who would worship the idol are in any danger of self-identifying as liberal, in fact, I believe that they would proudly identify as conservatives.

All that said, I won't disagree with the statement that liberalism=weakness in male terms still persists. I just don't know how prevalent it is among people other than conservatives.

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Why don't more men identify as liberal? [View all] ElboRuum Mar 2014 OP

One of the main factors, imo opiate69 Mar 2014 #1

So it's an image problem? ElboRuum Mar 2014 #3

Well, another thing I've noticed is, opiate69 Mar 2014 #5

To the first point... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #7

Yeah, I've noticed that DU doesn't always gel real well with the actual, objective outside Universe. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #9

Many on DU are into self-hussling, like monkeys at the San Antonio Zoo... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #36

The difference between white men and white women isn't that significant Major Nikon Mar 2014 #2

Possibly... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #4

I understand that part Major Nikon Mar 2014 #14

Honestly, in my experience political divisions break more on geographic and religious lines Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #6

Well... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #10

I hear you. And it's a question which has been broached, in various forms, in here before I think. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #12

80% is far too high hfojvt Mar 2014 #45

I prefer dissident. westerebus Mar 2014 #8

OK... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #11

I will have to get back to you. westerebus Mar 2014 #13

Good morning. westerebus Mar 2014 #27

The current system DOES need change. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #28

Liberal is what sense? In what context? westerebus Mar 2014 #31

Actually, none of those things... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #32

The identification "liberal" does not exist in a vacuum. westerebus Mar 2014 #33

And yet, more speeches. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #34

I have answered your question. You refuse to accept my answer. westerebus Mar 2014 #39

No you have not. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #40

Most of the "reasons" are actually self-justification. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #15

Conservatism endears itself to the idiocy of male machismo. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #16

+1 YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #17

Interesting, but not at all what I'm talking about. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #18

I'm not hijacking the thread. I'm giving you an answer. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #19

Your answer fails to answer the question... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #20

I suppose talking about the 80% of men who voted for Romney was accidental? Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #21

Not accidental. Illustrative. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #22

To accept an ideology but refuse the name implies some sort of associational shame... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #23

I don't know if it is 'shame' per se. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #24

I'm a Freudian at heart so you have my bias. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #25

I think because a "liberal man" has feminine connotations the_working_poor Mar 2014 #35

I've never thought of it that way. Liberal men are sexy. Fridays Child Mar 2014 #38

That probably is at least a part of it... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #41

I grew up in an earlier time when most people in the South were Democrats Major Nikon Mar 2014 #26

2 reasons for lack of I.D. with liberals... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #37

Good points. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #42

Unfortunately, I think "emotional remoteness, physical violence and anti-intellectualism" is nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #43

I think article speaks to the issue. MicaelS Mar 2014 #29

Interesting points. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #30

Well CFLDem Mar 2014 #44