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ElboRuum

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10. Well...

Sun Mar 9, 2014, 05:30 PM

Mar 2014

First, let me just apologize up front for the 80% thing. Someone on DU had linked somewhere that 4 in 5 white males who voted in the 2012 election voted for Romney. Now, the apology is for not having a link to back it up. I have been searching for a bit, and maybe it's that my Google-fu is not up to snuff today. Strangely, it is devilishly hard to find a demographics chart which breaks down by both ethnicity and gender, rather than just one or the other. The one I did find which combined these two categories maddeningly selects out only the 18-29 demographic. If you have information to the contrary, I welcome it, as I don't want to have a discussion predicated on a falsehood.

Second, that really wasn't the focus of the post, more or less just an introduction of the idea. Political divisions as expressed in elections only measure votes, not political identifications. A person may vote for someone they consider liberal without actually identifying as liberal. I know very few males who identify as liberal although they might have all the earmarks of a liberal philosophy, if not point-for-point, certainly in a few key areas. That's really the intent of my OP, to discuss why liberalism does not resonate as a point of identification with men and does this affect liberalism negatively as a whole.

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Why don't more men identify as liberal? [View all] ElboRuum Mar 2014 OP

One of the main factors, imo opiate69 Mar 2014 #1

So it's an image problem? ElboRuum Mar 2014 #3

Well, another thing I've noticed is, opiate69 Mar 2014 #5

To the first point... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #7

Yeah, I've noticed that DU doesn't always gel real well with the actual, objective outside Universe. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #9

Many on DU are into self-hussling, like monkeys at the San Antonio Zoo... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #36

The difference between white men and white women isn't that significant Major Nikon Mar 2014 #2

Possibly... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #4

I understand that part Major Nikon Mar 2014 #14

Honestly, in my experience political divisions break more on geographic and religious lines Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #6

Well... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #10

I hear you. And it's a question which has been broached, in various forms, in here before I think. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #12

80% is far too high hfojvt Mar 2014 #45

I prefer dissident. westerebus Mar 2014 #8

OK... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #11

I will have to get back to you. westerebus Mar 2014 #13

Good morning. westerebus Mar 2014 #27

The current system DOES need change. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #28

Liberal is what sense? In what context? westerebus Mar 2014 #31

Actually, none of those things... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #32

The identification "liberal" does not exist in a vacuum. westerebus Mar 2014 #33

And yet, more speeches. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #34

I have answered your question. You refuse to accept my answer. westerebus Mar 2014 #39

No you have not. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #40

Most of the "reasons" are actually self-justification. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #15

Conservatism endears itself to the idiocy of male machismo. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #16

+1 YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #17

Interesting, but not at all what I'm talking about. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #18

I'm not hijacking the thread. I'm giving you an answer. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #19

Your answer fails to answer the question... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #20

I suppose talking about the 80% of men who voted for Romney was accidental? Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #21

Not accidental. Illustrative. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #22

To accept an ideology but refuse the name implies some sort of associational shame... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #23

I don't know if it is 'shame' per se. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #24

I'm a Freudian at heart so you have my bias. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #25

I think because a "liberal man" has feminine connotations the_working_poor Mar 2014 #35

I've never thought of it that way. Liberal men are sexy. Fridays Child Mar 2014 #38

That probably is at least a part of it... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #41

I grew up in an earlier time when most people in the South were Democrats Major Nikon Mar 2014 #26

2 reasons for lack of I.D. with liberals... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #37

Good points. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #42

Unfortunately, I think "emotional remoteness, physical violence and anti-intellectualism" is nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #43

I think article speaks to the issue. MicaelS Mar 2014 #29

Interesting points. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #30

Well CFLDem Mar 2014 #44