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Denzil_DC

(8,122 posts)
14. I don't believe I'm missing anything.
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 09:00 AM
Sep 2019

I listen to Americans discussing their country's politics. I may not always agree with them, but I accept they have more skin in the game and a closer perspective on events in their country than I do.

The same respect in return would be welcome.

By turning so readily to "PUTIN!!!", you are missing the fact that the most baleful and consistent influence on UK politics from the latter part of the twentieth century to the present and beyond, covert and overt, has been American capitalist interests, in league with our own kakistocracy. As we face the risk of being subsumed as the latest US vassal state, that's a more relevant and urgent focus.

And then there are own people. Not everyone who disdains or hates the EU is a gull of Putin, convenient as it would be to find a big baddie to blame for the mess we're in. Putin's regime may be opportunistic, but don't bestow on it more power than it actually has, or the myth may become reality. And meanwhile, we'll be sold down the river all over again.

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I can't understand why the UK is doing this Brexit thing, seems like a total loser to me. katmondoo Sep 2019 #1
Common sense has little to do with it, and the EU is partly to blame. DFW Sep 2019 #4
Brexit was sold to the Brits based on lies and fear RVN VET71 Sep 2019 #11
Same thing that's happening in the U.S. Grokenstein Sep 2019 #7
A number of reasons The King of Prussia Sep 2019 #8
Rather than "Let's just get it over with" DFW Sep 2019 #2
Of course it's ripping up the UK. That's what Putin wanted when he funded the campaign. DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #3
...and did I mention PUTIN and his MOB are going for our 2020 elections too? DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #5
Rifts in the EU and NATO definitely serve Russian interests more than any of ours. n/t DFW Sep 2019 #6
It's interesting that non-UK-based DU members always jump so quickly to blame "PUTIN!!!". Denzil_DC Sep 2019 #10
You are missing the essence. ALL MOBS, indeed all monopolies, are killing democracy. DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #12
I don't believe I'm missing anything. Denzil_DC Sep 2019 #14
I don't necessarily blame Putin as a main cause, just a big beneficiary DFW Sep 2019 #15
He could be a beneficiary. But the EU was expected to implode with Brexit. It hasn't. Denzil_DC Sep 2019 #16
You really think it was Putin? The King of Prussia Sep 2019 #17
I'm sorry you feel that way... DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #18
They're free to disagree. It's still not persuasive. Denzil_DC Sep 2019 #19
Time to reclassify 'Lord of the Flies' as a dystopian prediction? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2019 #9
It's not the people spreading chaos. ALL MOBS, indeed all monopolies, are killing democracy. DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #13
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