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Fiendish Thingy

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14. How else would one determine if a person is disqualified from holding office under the 14th?
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 11:16 PM
Dec 28

We are a nation of laws, not a nation of coin tosses, or whoever yells the loudest.

The enforcement mechanism for section 3 of the 14th amendment, as decided by the courts, at least for federal offices, is either:

1) a joint resolution passed by congress (not going to happen ), or
2) a conviction for insurrection, the penalty for which, as determined by congress, is disqualification from holding federal office.

In the past, the other enforcement mechanism was being a member of the confederate army or government. That was the only “automatic” disqualifying event under the 14th amendment, and it still had to be proven, so the wrong John Smith didn’t get disqualified.

For state offices, the enforcement mechanism, at least the last time it was used, is a ruling by a judge in a state court after evidence has been presented, with the opportunity for cross examination. In other words, due process.

So, you can cut and paste the constitution all you want, but in the end, Trump will be inaugurated on January 20.



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This is a waste of keystrokes displacedvermoter Dec 26 #1
Not for The Hill. It got them click$$$!!111!!1!!!1 PSPS Dec 26 #3
Can we simply ignore "the supreme Law of the Land" now? OKIsItJustMe Dec 28 #9
No chance. The POS won the election. Unfortunately, democracy doesn't guarantee the best candidates will win. Silent Type Dec 26 #2
Hypothetically, what's to prevent him from being elected a third time? OKIsItJustMe Dec 28 #8
You've answered your own question Fiendish Thingy Dec 28 #16
Here's the scenario I see OKIsItJustMe Dec 29 #17
You're describing a "contingent election", which doesn't apply here. Fiendish Thingy Dec 29 #20
It's guaranteed bloody civil war if we try to remove him. Intractable Dec 26 #4
Not going to happen Fiendish Thingy Dec 26 #5
According to the 14th amendment, it requires a ⅔'s majority of both houses to allow him to serve OKIsItJustMe Dec 28 #7
His disqualification has not been adjudicated Fiendish Thingy Dec 28 #10
Why does it need to be adjudicated? OKIsItJustMe Dec 28 #11
How else would one determine if a person is disqualified from holding office under the 14th? Fiendish Thingy Dec 28 #14
Disqualified: The case for Donald Trump's disqualification under the 14th Amendment OKIsItJustMe Dec 28 #13
So, who decides? Some guy? You? Elon Musk? Fiendish Thingy Dec 28 #15
It's not going to happen, of course, but lees1975 Dec 29 #18
In January of 2021 a bipartisan majority of the House impeached Donald Trump on the grounds that he led an insurrection OKIsItJustMe Dec 29 #19
The opinion of one person on the internet does not equate to the Rule Of Law. Fiendish Thingy Dec 29 #21
U. S. Constitution.net: Trump and the 14th Amendment OKIsItJustMe Dec 28 #6
It no longer matters to Republicans what it right, or being loyal to the Constitution. lees1975 Dec 28 #12
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