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In reply to the discussion: Trump to get audit immunity as $1.8 billion fund in doubt [View all]LetMyPeopleVote
(182,946 posts)25. MS NOW- Even if Trump kills his $1.8 billion slush fund, his IRS lawsuit headache isn't over
The controversial settlement included both a fund that has sparked a political backlash and IRS immunity for the president, his relatives and Trump businesses.
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https://www.ms.now/opinion/trump-billion-fund-irs-settlement-legal-jeopardy
A lawsuit is valid only when there is a case or controversy between adverse parties. Since Trump controls the executive branch, there was an obvious lack of adversity between a sitting president and entities whose decisions were subject to his direction. From the outset, Williams, who presides over the case in the Southern District of Florida, expressed skepticism of the lawsuits legitimacy. She asked the parties to submit briefs addressing whether the lawsuit was, in fact, a legitimate adverse proceeding....
Last week, 35 former federal judges filed a motion asking Williams to reopen the case. They argued that the purported settlement that the parties never placed before this Court raises profound questions about the parties candor toward the Court and manipulation of the judicial system, which threatens to undermine confidence in the administration of justice. The settlement is a fraud on the Court, they wrote.
Two days after the 35 former judges filed their motion, Judge Williams issued an order in response. The court, she wrote, is empowered to investigate serious misconduct as a collateral issue and to determine whether the suit was filed for an improper purpose.
Among the key points in her order:
Williams ordered Trump, the IRS and the U.S. Treasury to respond by June 12 on: (1) the charges of collusion and whether the Parties are truly adverse; (2) the assertion that the dismissal in this case was premised on deception by the Parties; and (3) the question of whether the case should be reopened because the Court was the victim of a fraud.
So here is Trumps quandary: He must answer Williams questions with facts. He cannot simply submit a memorandum filled with platitudes denying collusion or dismissing the matter as a witch hunt. The court will likely expect sworn affidavits setting out facts to support any defense that there was no collusion and no deception.
The judge will almost certainly expect Trump, the named plaintiff, to submit an affidavit himself responding to all three of Williams inquiries.
Whatever is filed in response to the courts order could raise additional issues, which could lead to an evidentiary hearing with witnesses. Matters not fully addressed in the affidavits or that otherwise remain ambiguous would need to be explored, with Williams empowered to assess credibility firsthand.....
Because we have an independent judiciary and judges committed to the rule of law, Trump could remain accountable for fraud or other misdeeds he may have committed in pursuing his lawsuit against the IRS or the settlement. Jettisoning the controversial fund doesnt automatically end Judge Williams inquiry.
Last week, 35 former federal judges filed a motion asking Williams to reopen the case. They argued that the purported settlement that the parties never placed before this Court raises profound questions about the parties candor toward the Court and manipulation of the judicial system, which threatens to undermine confidence in the administration of justice. The settlement is a fraud on the Court, they wrote.
Two days after the 35 former judges filed their motion, Judge Williams issued an order in response. The court, she wrote, is empowered to investigate serious misconduct as a collateral issue and to determine whether the suit was filed for an improper purpose.
Among the key points in her order:
the grant of IRS immunity did not relate to the immediate subject matter of the claim, which was the leak of Trumps tax information;
the IRS and the U.S. Treasury did not even try to defend against Trumps claims, despite actively opposing nearly identical claims in other litigation;
and, as the former judges had argued, Trumps claims were clearly untimely and barred by the expired statute of limitations.
Williams ordered Trump, the IRS and the U.S. Treasury to respond by June 12 on: (1) the charges of collusion and whether the Parties are truly adverse; (2) the assertion that the dismissal in this case was premised on deception by the Parties; and (3) the question of whether the case should be reopened because the Court was the victim of a fraud.
So here is Trumps quandary: He must answer Williams questions with facts. He cannot simply submit a memorandum filled with platitudes denying collusion or dismissing the matter as a witch hunt. The court will likely expect sworn affidavits setting out facts to support any defense that there was no collusion and no deception.
The judge will almost certainly expect Trump, the named plaintiff, to submit an affidavit himself responding to all three of Williams inquiries.
Whatever is filed in response to the courts order could raise additional issues, which could lead to an evidentiary hearing with witnesses. Matters not fully addressed in the affidavits or that otherwise remain ambiguous would need to be explored, with Williams empowered to assess credibility firsthand.....
Because we have an independent judiciary and judges committed to the rule of law, Trump could remain accountable for fraud or other misdeeds he may have committed in pursuing his lawsuit against the IRS or the settlement. Jettisoning the controversial fund doesnt automatically end Judge Williams inquiry.
Even if trump drops the slush fund part of the case, Judge Williams will need to still hold a hearing on the IRS immunity issue and trump may have to testify by either affidavit or in person. This hearing will be fun to watch
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Who will stop it? Our judicial system appears to be completely broken.
travelingthrulife
Wednesday
#20
Doesn't the language they used say "in perpetuity" or "forever" or something to that effect? That's what they were
Karasu
Tuesday
#12
My dream is that we're inching closer to the freezing and seizing of assets. I'm gonna go light a candle.
Alice B.
Wednesday
#23
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent refuses to say whether Trump remains exempt from IRS audits
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Wednesday
#24
MS NOW- Even if Trump kills his $1.8 billion slush fund, his IRS lawsuit headache isn't over
LetMyPeopleVote
17 hrs ago
#25