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In reply to the discussion: More churches are suing ICE over arrests in places of worship: 'Congregations have gone underground' [View all]BumRushDaShow
(160,140 posts)21. "I haven't seen a single case where they've pointed to an actual arrest during a church service"
You have now added "special criteria" that would somehow require "a church service" to be going on while ignoring "private property" and the 4th Amendment. But that is not unexpected.
If someone "not in 'hot pursuit'" shows up on private property without a warrant or refuses to show one when asked, then you have this problem -
Fourth Amendment
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment
There are states with "stand your ground" laws with people who could haul off and shoot that "intruder" if no warrant is presented.
You have an administration that has pretty much declared EVERY immigrant as "suspect" (whether documented, a citizen of an undocumented immigrant, an immigrant undergoing the process of residency and/or citizenship, or undocumented) and "criminally liable".
And you continue to concede as examples are pointed out. That drop-off story was just from a quick scan of the news. The incident I linked to most likely has not had a suit filed for it yet. And to file suit, you either need $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ or some pro bono lawyers and/or organizations to do that for you, and when you are dealing with certain, often poor immigrant communities, they are SOL if they don't have access to the resources.
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More churches are suing ICE over arrests in places of worship: 'Congregations have gone underground' [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Jul 30
OP
You are still trying to conflate policies to indicate "Democrats" are the same as "Republicans"
BumRushDaShow
Jul 30
#19
"Nor one that wants to effectively codify "I made it on to holy ground so I have sanctuary!""
BumRushDaShow
Jul 30
#8
But that is what you have done. Do you even know what related suits have been filed against 45's administration?
BumRushDaShow
Jul 30
#18
"I haven't seen a single case where they've pointed to an actual arrest during a church service"
BumRushDaShow
Jul 30
#21
That was ironically one of Scalia's pet peeves - notably "private property rights" and the 4th Amendment
BumRushDaShow
Jul 30
#15
Free speech and freedom of religion also under attack. Antithesis to our origins as a free republic after escaping it.
Evolve Dammit
Jul 30
#23
honestly, I believe this stuff is happening only when the state is already "RED"
FakeNoose
Jul 30
#28