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BumRushDaShow

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21. "I haven't seen a single case where they've pointed to an actual arrest during a church service"
Wed Jul 30, 2025, 12:00 PM
Jul 30

You have now added "special criteria" that would somehow require "a church service" to be going on while ignoring "private property" and the 4th Amendment. But that is not unexpected.

If someone "not in 'hot pursuit'" shows up on private property without a warrant or refuses to show one when asked, then you have this problem -

Fourth Amendment

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment


There are states with "stand your ground" laws with people who could haul off and shoot that "intruder" if no warrant is presented.

You have an administration that has pretty much declared EVERY immigrant as "suspect" (whether documented, a citizen of an undocumented immigrant, an immigrant undergoing the process of residency and/or citizenship, or undocumented) and "criminally liable".

And you continue to concede as examples are pointed out. That drop-off story was just from a quick scan of the news. The incident I linked to most likely has not had a suit filed for it yet. And to file suit, you either need $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ or some pro bono lawyers and/or organizations to do that for you, and when you are dealing with certain, often poor immigrant communities, they are SOL if they don't have access to the resources.

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yeah we will see what RELIGIOUS FREEDOM actually means to repukes Skittles Jul 30 #1
Aww, that's simple. OldBaldy1701E Jul 30 #2
here's the thing though Skittles Jul 30 #26
Yep. OldBaldy1701E Jul 31 #30
Doesn't seem like that will get anywhere FBaggins Jul 30 #3
Exactly SickOfTheOnePct Jul 30 #4
You make it sound as if tavernier Jul 30 #5
I didn't say that at all nor did I imply it SickOfTheOnePct Jul 30 #6
The Obama/Biden administration's ICE deported over three million people FBaggins Jul 30 #7
NONE of them were taken from CHURCH "property" under Biden or Obama BumRushDaShow Jul 30 #9
There's no reason to believe that's true FBaggins Jul 30 #11
And you misunderstand what the NEW policy is BumRushDaShow Jul 30 #13
"Prior approval" wasn't required for hot pursuit scenarios FBaggins Jul 30 #16
You are still trying to conflate policies to indicate "Democrats" are the same as "Republicans" BumRushDaShow Jul 30 #19
"Nor one that wants to effectively codify "I made it on to holy ground so I have sanctuary!"" BumRushDaShow Jul 30 #8
I did indeed know that and have attended such services FBaggins Jul 30 #10
"But nothing like that has been reported or alleged. " BumRushDaShow Jul 30 #14
You are familiar with how lawsuits work, right? FBaggins Jul 30 #17
But that is what you have done. Do you even know what related suits have been filed against 45's administration? BumRushDaShow Jul 30 #18
I'm well aware of the existing cases... I don't think you've read them FBaggins Jul 30 #20
"I haven't seen a single case where they've pointed to an actual arrest during a church service" BumRushDaShow Jul 30 #21
Church or no church, as long as it is private property, tavernier Jul 30 #12
That was ironically one of Scalia's pet peeves - notably "private property rights" and the 4th Amendment BumRushDaShow Jul 30 #15
I bet both he and RBG are are in the heavenly bar right now tavernier Jul 30 #27
I am living in a world that I don't understand, but I am weird. twodogsbarking Jul 30 #22
Free speech and freedom of religion also under attack. Antithesis to our origins as a free republic after escaping it. Evolve Dammit Jul 30 #23
"Attendance and donations have plummeted, " tinymontgomery Jul 30 #24
I am increasingly becoming chronically angry. MasonDreams Jul 30 #25
honestly, I believe this stuff is happening only when the state is already "RED" FakeNoose Jul 30 #28
'Congregations have gone underground' Norrrm Jul 30 #29
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