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hlthe2b

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3. Good heavens. He isn't involved in producing the vaccines, but rather the companies' retain control
Sun May 18, 2025, 09:12 AM
May 18

He can only try to assert his ignorance to stall approvals of the new vaccines, such that we will have deaths and hospitalizations from COVID-19 and influenza as a result. Your suggestion it is the vaccine manufacturers who are the problem-- is to accept his idiocy. He has no clue and thinks that a simple update of the fully evaluated methodology used to create all the COVID-19 and Influenza vaccines thus far, including a newly emergent COVID-19 variant or known influenza strain, requires going back to a two-year or more placebo control study. Those who know better and have been involved in this work know that these require a comparison trial to show efficacy against the prior vaccines, but not a repeat of placebo as the comparison group. Using a placebo with active virus circulating puts those individuals at well-established risk and is thus unethical at that point-- not to mention all the rest of the population put at risk, given the long delays this would mean for getting the updated vaccines out there.

No.. Right now, those who know better will have maximal skepticism toward RFK Jr.'s stance on the vaccine, and if confidence is to be put anywhere, it is going to be with the virologists/vaccinologists outside of government who have independently evaluated what the vaccine producers are doing. And in this case, there will undoubtedly be more faith in the latter--the companies-- than the former. To put your trust in RFK Jr. over the vaccine companies right now is to buy into his decades of idiocy--that very warped and limited understanding of immunology, virology, bacteriology, vaccinology, epidemiology, public health, and medicine that has made him the current most dangerous anti-vaccine spewer out there.

Please rethink for your own well-being and that of those you care about.

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Bizarre. It's the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines maga hates because they are MRNA Bernardo de La Paz May 18 #1
I am hesitant to take any vaccine today with RFK Jr. running things. nt doc03 May 18 #2
Good heavens. He isn't involved in producing the vaccines, but rather the companies' retain control hlthe2b May 18 #3
The FDA issued approval, with RFK Jr can we trust the FDA. I don't know if we can doc03 May 18 #5
doc03, NOWHERE did I say we should trust RFK Jr. You have totally misunderstood my post.. hlthe2b May 18 #6
Remember that this vaccine was being developed starting WAY back during the beginning of the pandemic BumRushDaShow May 18 #8
Why's it taken so long? There must be a reason. The delay make me skeptical. live love laugh May 18 #9
Well look what happened with J&J and Astrazeneca! BumRushDaShow May 18 #10
Yes... Posters should remember there was ALREADY a mRNA vaccine produced in response to SARS.... hlthe2b May 18 #12
Brainworm host has zero idea of what REALLY goes on with the vaccine processs BumRushDaShow May 18 #13
it may be unethical, but given the abundant # of people not taking the shot a placebo is hardly impractical cadoman May 18 #15
You clearly have no understanding of the conduct of studies statistical power which means sample size for all subgroups hlthe2b May 18 #17
iow mopinko May 18 #4
Well the ring hadn't been fitted yet BumRushDaShow May 18 #11
will they ever learn? mopinko May 18 #14
Since Fauci was involved with Moderna BumRushDaShow May 18 #16
I am happy with Novavax IbogaProject May 18 #7
I wonder what they will do if it mutates and starts killing mostly younger people Meowmee May 18 #18
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