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yellowdogintexas

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29. Ukraine and Russia have a complicated history.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 04:16 PM
Mar 2025

Russia first invaded Ukraine during Catherine the Great's reign.
The borders have changed in both directions over the centuries.

The worst happened in the 1930s when Russia began their collective farming, which resulted in a widespread man made famine in which millions died; Ukraine was the hardest hit because the Russians withheld the farmers's portion of the collective harvest because they wanted to suppress Ukraine's independence and resistance. . This period is known as the Holodomor. https://holodomormuseum.org.ua/en/the-history-of-the-holodomor/
I have read a couple of books about the Holodomor and it was horrible. Ukraine has not forgotten.

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Here are Putin's conditions for a cease-fire LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #1
These terms are untenable angrychair Mar 2025 #13
Of course they are... WinstonSmith4740 Mar 2025 #25
Putin already has the US. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #26
Russia lays out demands for talks with US on Ukraine, sources say LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #2
Because of course it doesn't. Hey, magats, still believe Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #3
Russia sure expects a lot being the war criminals they are mdbl Mar 2025 #4
I say no ceasefire until BOTH agree. bluestarone Mar 2025 #5
You can want in one hand and sh*t in another... same effect NotHardly Mar 2025 #6
I'm encouraged that they are at least talking about peace hueymahl Mar 2025 #7
He can't wait to take Moldova...... wolfie001 Mar 2025 #9
Respectfully, that is a simplistic take hueymahl Mar 2025 #15
Exactly how is it unique? Tommy Carcetti Mar 2025 #40
For similar reasons. Transnistria is a breakaway province loyal to Russia IronLionZion Mar 2025 #20
Really? Putin is a Murderous Bully. The Ukrainians sure darn Care that He Invaded their Country, and Stole their land... electric_blue68 Mar 2025 #23
Ukraine and Russia have a complicated history. yellowdogintexas Mar 2025 #29
Ty. Yeah, I know about the Holodomor.... electric_blue68 Mar 2025 #35
I watch for books about it now that I have learned just this much. nt yellowdogintexas Mar 2025 #42
My grandparents my dad's side left some years before that happened electric_blue68 Mar 2025 #43
Russia Signed Off On The Borders DallasNE Mar 2025 #36
I think who started the war is pretty fucking important, no? Tommy Carcetti Mar 2025 #39
So just capitulate to Putin? BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2025 #41
Conditions Are Not Ripe For A Peace Agreement DallasNE Mar 2025 #8
Both Moscow and St. Petersburg need to be targeted regularly wolfie001 Mar 2025 #10
If the YouTube vids are even half true BidenRocks Mar 2025 #34
How about Russia abiding by a treat they signed with Ukraine in 1990's. republianmushroom Mar 2025 #11
Well that was a gimmie.................... turbinetree Mar 2025 #12
LOL Nasruddin Mar 2025 #14
Putin likely doesn't want Traitor47 to get the credit if the war ends. pandr32 Mar 2025 #17
Putin will not agree to ceasefire LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #16
"Trump says he can end the war in one day " LudwigPastorius Mar 2025 #18
Gee i thought trumpy Figarosmom Mar 2025 #19
TOLD YA. If Ukraine survives this war somehow, it would domestically destroy the Putin-regime in Russia. DetlefK Mar 2025 #21
Neither do I. I don't want ANYTHING negotiated by ... dchill Mar 2025 #22
Ukraine's best and final offer should be: GTFO NOW and then pay us to rebuild our country. OMGWTF Mar 2025 #24
and markie Mar 2025 #27
Sky News calls Putin out for his Ceasefire scam. LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #28
Then turn Moscow to rubble. Fuck Putin. Evolve Dammit Mar 2025 #30
Least surprising news of the day BrianTheEVGuy Mar 2025 #31
Well then, blue-wave Mar 2025 #32
So now it's time for Trump to enact the plan Kellogg laid out in numerous interviews before he took office Emrys Mar 2025 #33
Attn: Vlad Botany Mar 2025 #37
Shocking. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2025 #38
Sounds like business negotiator extraordinaire brought nothing to Ukraine's side GoodRaisin Mar 2025 #44
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