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39. But, in using H2 for power

Sun Jan 5, 2025, 11:27 PM

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the most common way is to convert electricity to H2, store it, then convert back to electricity on demand. That is essentially using H2 as a storage medium, i.e., a battery. Yes, you can burn H2 to make heat, or in a redesigned combustion engine, but you are now back at square one in terms of efficiency, with higher cost, than if you had simply used the electricity to directly charge a chemical battery or run a heat pump.

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