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GoreWon2000

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7. Green hydrogen is the future

Fri Jan 3, 2025, 01:11 PM

Jan 3

My engineer father firmly believed that green hydrogen is the future. My engineer father had bachelors and master's degrees in engineering, more than 40 years of aviation and automotive engineering work experience and was a member of the Society of Automotive engineers. Since hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, you don't need fossil fuel to generate hydrogen. The development of green hydrogen technology is in its infancy. FYI, Airbus is currently developing hydrogen powered commercial airplanes and NASA is looking for water on both Mars and the Moon in order to be able to use the hydrogen to fuel long distance interplanetary space travel. It'll be impossible to use batteries for such long distance travel because of the weight of the batteries. FYI, most electricity that charges batteries right now is generated by burning fossil fuel. Most people don't realize this.
The really big scam is the one that the nuclear power industry is trying to pull by claiming to be green energy. It's not. My engineer father always taught me that nuclear power isn't green because no one has figured out how to dispose of the toxic nuclear waste that's every bit as bad as burning fossil fuels. I fear that the nuclear power industry is becoming the fossil fuel industry of the 21st century.
BTW, I'm curious to know what your engineering credentials are?

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Biden administration adds exemptions into new climate rules for hydrogen energy [View all] BumRushDaShow Jan 3 OP

By virtue of the second law of thermodyamics, hydrogen is an extremely dirty fuel. NNadir Jan 3 #1

It's also the most abundent element of the universe BumRushDaShow Jan 3 #2

Yes, but on earth it is chemically bound. Looking at it... NNadir Jan 3 #3

Hydrogen is not a "form of energy", it is an energy storage medium... Think. Again. Jan 3 #5

Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe GoreWon2000 Jan 3 #8

Yes, we need to make some very big progress building out non-CO2 emitting electrical production. Think. Again. Jan 3 #10

Well... BumRushDaShow Jan 3 #6

Post removed Post removed Jan 3 #9

His background is in chemistry. He's in the pharmaceutical industry. His journal is worth a scroll nmmi Jan 3 #14

As explained in the article... Think. Again. Jan 3 #4

Except when it leaks NickB79 Jan 3 #11

Natural gas leaks are 28X as powerful as CO2.... Think. Again. Jan 3 #12

And hydrogen leaks twice as much as methane, by it's very nature as the smallest element NickB79 Jan 4 #17

A small mistake you made... Think. Again. Jan 4 #19

Green hydrogen is the future GoreWon2000 Jan 3 #7

When will the scam that is the "hydrogen economy" Miguelito Loveless Jan 3 #13

If you're Anti-Hydrogen, whatever you do - DO NOT LOOK AT CHINA or India Caribbeans Jan 4 #15

Simple math Miguelito Loveless Jan 4 #16

And then fuel cells lose about 40%-60% of the 34kWH in the H2 converting it into electricity? /nt nmmi Jan 4 #18

Which is still less than the energy lost by our current long distance delivery systems... Think. Again. Jan 4 #23

59% is losses in the power plant itself in converting the fuel's energy to electricity at the power plant and net of nmmi Jan 4 #24

Yes, the Hydrogen would not replace batteries... Think. Again. Jan 4 #25

The problem is Miguelito Loveless Jan 5 #34

Correct, I personally believe only a Green H2 economy is worthy of pursuing.... Think. Again. Jan 5 #37

That doesn't alter the fact Miguelito Loveless Jan 5 #44

Correct, directly powering your home from solar makes the most sense... Think. Again. Jan 5 #45

To me, marine and flight uses Miguelito Loveless Jan 6 #51

Yes, and other uses where easily transportable fuel for combustion or on-site electric generation is needed. Think. Again. Jan 6 #54

The environmental impact for lithium-ion Miguelito Loveless Jan 5 #31

Yes, and H2 can be used when weight and volume are considerations... Think. Again. Jan 5 #40

So far, Miguelito Loveless Jan 5 #46

Yes, passenger vehicles are better for batteries... Think. Again. Jan 6 #49

My losses are much lower Miguelito Loveless Jan 5 #29

Yes, no one is suggesting H2 should replace batteries, or any other form of energy storage. Think. Again. Jan 5 #33

But, in using H2 for power Miguelito Loveless Jan 5 #39

Yes, and in situations where batteries are not viable due to weight or volume or non-existent power grid lines... Think. Again. Jan 5 #43

By very expensive tanker trucks Miguelito Loveless Jan 6 #50

It doesn't make much sense does it madville Jan 4 #20

A loss of energy also occurs when it is transferred into batteries... Think. Again. Jan 4 #22

It must be stored either in liquid form Miguelito Loveless Jan 5 #28

Hydrogen containment tanks are made of materials that are impervious to embrittlement.... Think. Again. Jan 5 #32

The tanks are Miguelito Loveless Jan 5 #36

Yes, they can be. And older existing lines can even be coated to be impervious. Think. Again. Jan 5 #42

That means digging up old lines and replacing them Miguelito Loveless Jan 6 #48

No, if the cost is 2 million, that's what it is, not more. Think. Again. Jan 6 #53

The issue is not flammability Miguelito Loveless Jan 5 #38

Precisely. Miguelito Loveless Jan 5 #27

Any transfer of energy results in a loss... Think. Again. Jan 4 #21

True, Miguelito Loveless Jan 5 #26

Yes, but Lithium is not infinite nor renewable, while Hydrogen basically is.... Think. Again. Jan 5 #30

Lithium can be recycled from batteries Miguelito Loveless Jan 5 #35

Yes, with additional energy costs. Think. Again. Jan 5 #41

The additional energy cost is far lower Miguelito Loveless Jan 6 #47

The Hydrogen economy infrastructure would be a cost of doing business.... Think. Again. Jan 6 #52