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131. Perhaps not as amazed as you might think.

Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:40 PM

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I've never denied the possibility of it, nor claimed it as an impossibility. What I have said (in response to similar posts) is that Republicans have long been rigging the vote, via voter suppression and in numerous other ways even before Election Night 2024.

And I've been posting news items and writing op-eds about this for a good decade, including that 2018 Abrams, Kemp gubernatorial DEBACLE in Georgia.

Fact is, their efforts have been so widespread, so varied, so maliciously all-encompassing, and ongoing for SO long, that it's difficult even for one who's been following it, to remember it all.

That's by design, of course.

Here are just THREE, quite detailed, Wikipedia references re. THE REPUBLICAN ATTACK UPON THE RIGHT TO VOTE:

Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

Republican efforts to restrict voting following the 2020 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

Voter suppression in the United States - Wikipedia

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BOMBSHELL CLAIM: TRUMP DID NOT WIN 2024, ELECTION MANIPULATED [View all] CNYHarris Friday OP

Auditing could be too late CNYHarris Friday #1

WOW John Coktosten Friday #2

Trump wants to ban mail in ballots CNYHarris Friday #3

No, you can't call the voter to see true voter intent. Ms. Toad Friday #75

There have been plenty of posts about these election denial conspiracy theories. tritsofme Friday #4

I won't ever believe he was elected. BurnDoubt Friday #5

I've never believed it either BonnieJW Friday #36

And (correct me if I'm wrong here); robbob Friday #81

The closest swing state was Wisconsin... SickOfTheOnePct Friday #94

Ok, I guess it was just another internet rumour. robbob Friday #143

No RandySF Friday #6

It was rigged from the start 31st Street Bridge Friday #7

I believe we have to focus on your concern. yellow dahlia Friday #82

Most definately. Very evident when you have precincts that voted all democrat with Trump for president. LiberalArkie Friday #91

I have thought this since the election took place. Trump was thanking Musk for the use of his computers. OLDMDDEM Friday #8

I watched about half of this creeksneakers2 Friday #9

if only NJCher Friday #11

OK, I'll watch the rest creeksneakers2 Friday #18

I watched the rest creeksneakers2 Friday #38

Voting machines are not programmed with lots of people around questionseverything Friday #60

Yes, they are. creeksneakers2 Saturday #160

Refer to post # 71 pls questionseverything Saturday #162

What do you want me to see there? creeksneakers2 Saturday #164

I gave up on this kind of fact-free clickbait long ago. Good on you Maru Kitteh Friday #122

That's the problem for more exposure lildDemz Friday #39

Yeah, it's funny how the conspiracy theorists who make these videos... SickOfTheOnePct Friday #14

I understood that what they do, which I have to assume they do before they open the doors for the public, is Escurumbele Friday #19

For that to work... SickOfTheOnePct Friday #21

Follow the tabulators Doremus Friday #58

In Virginia... SickOfTheOnePct Friday #63

Do you understand, you can't see software? questionseverything Friday #67

Having been a computer programmer ... SickOfTheOnePct Friday #69

Not if a predetermined result was programmed in at the factory questionseverything Friday #71

I'm saying ... SickOfTheOnePct Friday #77

Musk knew that the Central Tabulators and Operating Systems of E.S.&E and Dominion Voting Systems had Botany Friday #120

No state uses a single set of "central tabulators" to count all of the state's vote... SickOfTheOnePct Friday #121

The flipping of votes from Harris to Trump and or the deletions of Harris votes were not pre programed into Botany Friday #124

But for all of the tabulators... SickOfTheOnePct Friday #129

Musk by passed the internet with his use of Starlink and DTC .... direct to cell .... in getting data from and or ... Botany Friday #133

There's no cell phone connection either. n/t Ms. Toad Friday #135

Your post brought up some issues I remember from... Chemical Bill Friday #132

I'm an election worker and that can't be done Kaleva Friday #30

Same n/t SickOfTheOnePct Friday #35

Observer for more than a decade - same. Ms. Toad Saturday #148

It would not be that easy. creeksneakers2 Friday #41

Thank you for adding some reason and reality to this discussion AverageOldGuy Friday #84

How it was done is not the first question. returnee Friday #85

If there is no explanation for how it could be done creeksneakers2 Saturday #163

when all is said and done NJCher Friday #10

The last legitimate win for a republican for POTUS was in 1956 and in every case starting with Nixon in '68 Botany Friday #22

Bush v. Gore being a classic example Ritabert Friday #40

What Botany said! yellow dahlia Friday #88

2024, 2016, 2004, 2000 yellow dahlia Friday #87

Election deniers get old. Silent Type Friday #12

I guess we love our country more than NJCher Friday #25

Nah, it's just kind of a sad spectacle at this point. Just like 9/11 truthers, moon landing deniers, tritsofme Friday #26

you always have the same comment NJCher Friday #29

Yes, I happen to exist in the reality based community. tritsofme Friday #32

common answer, again NJCher Friday #145

Until the facts change, the comment doesn't need to change EdmondDantes_ Friday #95

again NJCher Friday #146

LOL. Silent Type Friday #46

Everybody gets old if they're lucky. returnee Friday #89

The Election Truth Alliance is garbage EdmondDantes_ Friday #13

Grifting grifters are going to grift gullible rubes, that is a given. tritsofme Friday #16

explain it, then NJCher Friday #28

I'm not the one making the unsupported conspiracy theory EdmondDantes_ Friday #100

strictly your opinion NJCher Friday #144

You Already Know What i'm Going To Say Mr.Bee Friday #15

Well, Democrats better do something about it because it will only get worst for the 2026 and 2028 elections. Escurumbele Friday #17

Supposing for a moment their claims are true EdmondDantes_ Friday #20

Because AZJonnie Friday #33

Given it would require actors all over the country, including Democrats, nope. EdmondDantes_ Friday #103

Did you watch the show? AZJonnie Friday #107

We already know. live love laugh Friday #23

Doesn't really matter at this point does it? BlueTsunami2018 Friday #24

Interesting stuff, I will look forward to the follow-up interview AZJonnie Friday #27

You're missing the bit about the swing states using paper ballots Abnredleg Friday #42

I hope it did not sound like I was conveying that I thought the CT presented by the guest was LIKELY AZJonnie Friday #98

And how many check vote ballots do they run in their test. Less than 500? Festivito Saturday #155

It's not that past a certain threshold all votes were recorded for *rump questionseverything Friday #49

Depends on recounting paper ballots. We're not allowed to recount paper ballots. Festivito Friday #31

Paper ballots are counted during risk limiting audits /nt Abnredleg Friday #43

No they aren't, a small sample are counted not even an entire precinct questionseverything Friday #50

Yes, it is understood that audits work off samples Abnredleg Friday #52

Counting paper ballots openly and transparently would work too questionseverything Friday #56

The audits are done in front of observers Abnredleg Friday #61

No one is suggesting counting the entire county at once questionseverything Friday #66

I've yet to find an election official of either party Abnredleg Friday #72

Democracy demands transparency for the average citizen so questionseverything Friday #79

All parties have observers watching every step of the process Abnredleg Friday #90

Full public view means, where the public can see questionseverything Friday #97

There is a reason no election officials support hand counts Abnredleg Friday #99

*rump's people were trying to cause crap, I simply want transparency questionseverything Friday #106

Abnredleg, you make some misleading/false statements. Festivito Saturday #154

The green obnoxiousdrunk Friday #34

Please Watch This Video ... kooth Friday #37

Does it explain how they got around the audits Abnredleg Friday #45

I remain malaise Friday #44

He brings up some good points, the data look quite suspicious, but there is no Fil1957 Friday #47

Do you want a Smoking Gun? Botany Friday #54

How would they know which ballot to toss? Kaleva Friday #57

It's actually illegal to look at the paper ballots in Florida questionseverything Friday #64

Same in Michigan Kaleva Friday #128

It's not that they are tossing ballots questionseverything Saturday #153

But the person I had responded to said the voter had voted Kaleva Saturday #157

That's the point, the results published don't match what actually happened questionseverything Saturday #161

But the person I had responded to said the voter had voted Kaleva Saturday #158

Peter Thiel's Palantir was and is very good at running large batch files of data and democratic leaning voters Botany Friday #65

But how do you match the ballot with the dem leaning voter? Kaleva Friday #130

I. D. K. Botany Friday #134

The point is they are publishing results that are inaccurate questionseverything Friday #136

Voter suppression is well documented going back to the 2000 presidential election. My point is that as long there are Fil1957 Friday #101

I disagree with you but in a nice way. Botany Friday #118

I, 100% agree about that 30% bluestarone Friday #123

And call me a conspiracy nut but I think the planned and calculated crippling of education helps in the .. Botany Friday #126

Man, you got that right! bluestarone Friday #127

Oy Vey DemocratSinceBirth Friday #48

This is NOT a both sides do it situation. Buddyzbuddy Friday #51

We could count the paper ballots openly and transparently questionseverything Friday #55

There's a reason why fraud cases have to be " pled with particularity" Abnredleg Friday #59

Can I prove there was cheating? No. Buddyzbuddy Friday #68

Sure, you can find statistical arguments to support your claim Abnredleg Friday #76

The evidence presented answers most questions that might be brought up. Buddyzbuddy Friday #137

My skepticism comes from decades of government IT Abnredleg Friday #139

I appreciate your experience and knowledge. Buddyzbuddy Friday #141

The delays due to bombs were made up Abnredleg Friday #142

Very compelling facts, thank you. Buddyzbuddy Saturday #147

Statistics can be manipulated, that's why risk limiting audits are worthless questionseverything Friday #109

Different type of statistical analysis Abnredleg Friday #114

lol, ok , so your statistics good, election integrity statistics bad questionseverything Friday #116

The statistical methods used to select random samples Abnredleg Friday #140

See post #71 questionseverything Saturday #151

These graphs aren't "statistics". They are actual votes. The graphs aren't BComplex Saturday #156

Well said. yellow dahlia Friday #96

C'mon everybody, no two or more people would ever agree in secret to break the law Gaugamela Friday #53

I know! Right? That's why there's NO SUCH WORD!!! "Conspiracy"! No such word. BComplex Saturday #159

Like moths to a flame JoseBalow Friday #62

Uh oh---gatekeepers not liking this one at all. Kingofalldems Friday #70

Bev Harris? madinmaryland Friday #73

"I just want to find 11,780, uh, votes." Kid Berwyn Friday #74

Whatever became of the claim here there were a couple of counties in New York where Harris did not receive a single vote Gimpyknee Friday #78

The county is fighting tooth and nail to make sure regular human beings don't get to count those ballots questionseverything Friday #104

The judge in the Rockland County, New York lawsuit has until November 8 to decide annielion Friday #112

Pure clickbait... but without the ALL CAPS YELLOW IMPACT FONT, and a YELLOW ARROW pointing at Trump. QueerDuck Friday #80

Bull. n/t returnee Friday #92

Could we please stop this "Trump did not win in 2024" bullshit??? AverageOldGuy Friday #83

Good luck with that. This seems to be unlikely. QueerDuck Friday #119

Thanks for your service as an election worker dwayneb Friday #138

Yup. Joinfortmill Friday #86

Computer voting systems are always hackable. Always. annielion Friday #93

I got tired of being yelled at for linking the unbelievable evidence Eliot Rosewater Friday #102

I would call the "evidence" not believable v. unbelievable n/t SickOfTheOnePct Friday #105

I believe Statitstics, Numbers and Math Mr.Bee Friday #108

My two cents? MAGA has B.See Friday #113

Especially when the piece of shit himself announces before the election that his friend musk knows those voting machine Eliot Rosewater Friday #115

Here Eliot Rosewater Friday #117

Perhaps not as amazed as you might think. B.See Friday #131

Not a thread on this? Seriously? Offhand, I can recall a number of them posted niyad Friday #110

Three parts make sure to watch them all. No it isn't a comedian making the claim Eliot Rosewater Friday #111

Trump fans not liking this thread one bit. Kingofalldems Friday #125

Post removed Post removed Saturday #150

Whatcha got against Halloween? berniesandersmittens Saturday #152

There was no fix. The Right Wing Controls the Media. Americans Are Stupid. MAGA is a cult. Simple as that. NT Blasphemer Saturday #149