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intrepidity

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128. What I would like to see are a bunch of controls

Wed Sep 24, 2025, 07:18 PM

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Before I embark on a deep dive, and since you have already seen more of the data, do they show eg these heat maps for other random precincts?

If the raw data is readily available, it is trivial to generate these maps.

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I remain doubting malaise [View all] malaise Yesterday OP

Kamala won gab13by13 Yesterday #1

In NC, barbtries Yesterday #9

This. Many of us here don't, and I'm one too. ms liberty Yesterday #19

Two Months Between Election and Inauguration Mr.Bee Yesterday #35

Paper ballot hand recounts were necessary. yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #110

I kept screaming for recounts on social media and to the dem leadership. 58Sunliner 14 hrs ago #156

Yup. I was jumping up and down... yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #158

No one wanted to pay the hundreds of millions they would have cost n/t MichMan 13 hrs ago #160

Unfortunate, given the costs to this country right now. yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #161

Same in Michigan. Kid Berwyn 17 hrs ago #87

Same with Oakland County. llmart 15 hrs ago #146

Not Believable. yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #109

When 90 percent of districts moved right, it's not a surprise Harris didn't flip any EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #14

This interview did not give enough time angryxyouth 23 hrs ago #55

I've gone to their website. It's not even remotely evidence EdmondDantes_ 23 hrs ago #58

They don't claim to have the evidence. Chemical Bill 15 hrs ago #133

The election truth alliance sure spends a lot of time arguing that they have evidence EdmondDantes_ 12 hrs ago #166

What I would like to see are a bunch of controls intrepidity 15 hrs ago #128

Election denialism doesn't serve our cause Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #15

Unless we figure out a way to stop it. I'm sure that is where they are going next Maraya1969 Yesterday #31

How can you stop something that isn't happening? Nt Fiendish Thingy 20 hrs ago #67

So sus! yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #112

Election fraud denialism hasn't served our cause these past 25 years. Chemical Bill 15 hrs ago #135

2000 wasn't an election fraud issue Fiendish Thingy 15 hrs ago #147

Well... Chemical Bill 13 hrs ago #162

Words have meaning Fiendish Thingy 12 hrs ago #163

The recounts in 2016 showed... Chemical Bill 12 hrs ago #164

Jill Stein paid for recounts in a few states MichMan 12 hrs ago #168

I agree... Chemical Bill 55 min ago #177

Typically Recounts aren't done unless the margin is Fiendish Thingy 11 hrs ago #171

I'm sorry you didn't follow the 2016 election. Chemical Bill 37 min ago #178

I followed the election and the aftermath Fiendish Thingy 29 min ago #181

Actually what is being shown is the reported totals don't seem to be accurate questionseverything 4 hrs ago #173

ding. the election was stolen AllaN01Bear Yesterday #29

Yup! yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #108

He overperformed nearly everywhere Polybius 15 hrs ago #130

Overperformance by an opponent should be expected Fiendish Thingy 25 min ago #182

I wake up every morning and the things about which I have certainty continue to diminish.... hlthe2b Yesterday #2

Pakman is not credible SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #3

If you go to their website, the "evidence" is non-existent EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #10

Trump administration is manipulating employment and autism statistics bucolic_frolic Yesterday #4

manipulating? barbtries Yesterday #8

Trump pulling numbers out of his ass is not data manipulation. Wiz Imp 15 hrs ago #142

Please stop it. They have not manipulated employment data. Wiz Imp 15 hrs ago #140

He fired the statistician because he didn't like the numbers. So you please open your eyes. /nt bucolic_frolic 15 hrs ago #143

Don't even go there. You're way out of your league. Wiz Imp 14 hrs ago #157

me too Malaise. barbtries Yesterday #5

I mean it's not like they didn't steal elections before. gab13by13 Yesterday #13

thank you for remembering, especially Ohio barbtries Yesterday #17

Right yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #114

And Humphrey would have won had nixon not committed treason. Clouds Passing Yesterday #24

I don't know this story, barbtries Yesterday #32

Thom Hartmann tells the story about how Nixon went to the Vietnamese and asking them Clouds Passing 17 hrs ago #96

Thom Hartmann tells the story. The Nixon people negotiated with the Vietnamese to continue the war Clouds Passing 17 hrs ago #98

The party of "family values" is devoid of values. Bluepinky Yesterday #30

I think Kamala won. Al Gore won. John Kerry won. Mr.Bee Yesterday #37

yep. barbtries Yesterday #40

legitimately elected president Mr.Bee Yesterday #48

Absolutely -so cataclysmic and catastrophic. yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #115

Don't forget Hillary. Chemical Bill 15 hrs ago #138

Yup! yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #113

"Bombshell" my ass. "Clickbait," more like. malthaussen Yesterday #6

Comparing 2020 to 2024 is meaningless. gab13by13 Yesterday #18

Nope, it's the same ridiculous conspiracy theories, just different mouths moving. tritsofme 19 hrs ago #72

Agree yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #116

You're never gonna give this one up, are ya? Polybius 15 hrs ago #131

In 2020, there were hand counted paper ballot recounts. Chemical Bill 15 hrs ago #139

Kamala won. Musk, Peter Theil, Palantir, Eaton, and others were into the vote data. Botany Yesterday #7

I heard the tabulators used cellular uplinks IbogaProject Yesterday #46

Musk had 265 low earth orbit satellites turned on on October, 30 2024 that gave him and his crews Botany 22 hrs ago #61

They even bragged about it. yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #119

This! yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #118

Absofuckinglutely! yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #117

I just wat to say one word: Duh! slightlv Yesterday #11

Easily refuted clickbait nonsense Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #12

A forensic audit was never done, gab13by13 Yesterday #16

There's no such thing Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #22

You don't listen to the material and you present an article that uses a " theory " that is clearly explained away questionseverything 17 hrs ago #84

Blah, blah, blah Fiendish Thingy 17 hrs ago #89

So you are admitting you have not read or listened to any of the material presented questionseverything 17 hrs ago #91

I have been exposed to every evidence-free, cockamamie 2024 election-denying conspiracy theory out there Fiendish Thingy 17 hrs ago #94

I heard they stole it using Jewish Space Lasers! 🤣🙄 Wiz Imp 15 hrs ago #145

From one member of the reality based community to another... Fiendish Thingy 15 hrs ago #148

I am right there with you, malaise. llmart Yesterday #20

Agree. yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #121

It's hard for me to believe that Trump's army of marching morons totaled 77,000,000 Americans RVN VET71 Yesterday #21

I wrote about it in February Mr.Bee Yesterday #23

And it was removed, wasn't it? MichMan Yesterday #27

Sounds like the jury made a wise decision. tritsofme 19 hrs ago #73

That's Right! Mr.Bee 34 min ago #180

How about AverageOldGuy Yesterday #25

2034 Mr.Bee Yesterday #38

My concern is there won't be an election in 2026. rubbersole 23 hrs ago #51

Me too. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #26

Agree karin_sj Yesterday #28

The real question we need to be asking ourselves KS Toronado Yesterday #33

THIS malaise Yesterday #42

Let me help you out Malaise..... KS Toronado Yesterday #43

YES. fully agree. I and i feel ALL others here cannot prove 100% if the election WAS or WAS NOT stolen. bluestarone 22 hrs ago #60

I have often wondered why someone in our party KS Toronado 22 hrs ago #62

What polls are you talking about? EdmondDantes_ 21 hrs ago #65

Prior to the election there were plenty of pools showing us winning KS Toronado 19 hrs ago #68

That's not an answer EdmondDantes_ 19 hrs ago #69

Why are you attacking me? KS Toronado 18 hrs ago #74

Nothing I have said is even remotely an attack EdmondDantes_ 17 hrs ago #85

human nature RoseTrellis 35 min ago #179

Because this entire election denial narrative is garbage? tritsofme 18 hrs ago #75

Transparency in elections is not nonsense ...Geesh questionseverything 17 hrs ago #90

No, but these delusional conspiracy theories sure are. tritsofme 17 hrs ago #99

Ms Harris is not a computer scientist or programmer so how could this be on her? questionseverything 16 hrs ago #106

All we need to do is handcount the precincts that are suspicious in Pennsylvania questionseverything 18 hrs ago #83

Been doing ouside duties here. I've heard of NO surveys being done. bluestarone 16 hrs ago #100

Elias is a lawyer not a computer programmer questionseverything 16 hrs ago #105

Hasn't he watched all the same videos that claim to prove it was stolen? MichMan 16 hrs ago #107

Right. yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #126

I do understand that. bluestarone 15 hrs ago #137

I wonder if Marc Elias was advised to stay away from any form of yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #124

So you're questioning the integrity of Marc Elias? Wiz Imp 14 hrs ago #149

I LOVE Marc Elias. yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #152

If you think Marc Elias would listen to the consultants, you're absolutely questioning Wiz Imp 14 hrs ago #155

If you know him, and apparently you profess to, yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #159

Now these delusional conspiracy theories make people like Marc Elias complicit in covering up a stolen election? tritsofme 12 hrs ago #165

Are you accusing me of asserting that Marc Elias was complicit yellow dahlia 12 hrs ago #167

Your post absolutely accuses Elias of being complicit tritsofme 11 hrs ago #169

I never accused Marc Elias of being complicit in a cover up. yellow dahlia 11 hrs ago #170

First we have to identify the problem questionseverything 16 hrs ago #103

You don't have to get conspiratorial, they cheated in the usual and obvious ways unblock Yesterday #34

All true, in addition why would Musk spend nearly 300 million if they could win by cheating the system anyway. . Doodley 23 hrs ago #59

I do have a theory about musk buying those names of people that weren't registered to vote yet questionseverything 17 hrs ago #93

And if Musk could cheat to elect Trump, why didn't it work in the Wisconsin SC election? Wiz Imp 14 hrs ago #150

We all pretty much agree that repubs cheat every chance they get questionseverything 17 hrs ago #86

There's certainly no sense of ethics at work there, to be sure. unblock 15 hrs ago #141

I mean. He won enough. For instance (anecdotal) SSJVegeta Yesterday #36

Yep I felt the fix was in as soon as Oct 7 happened IbogaProject 23 hrs ago #50

Yup SSJVegeta 23 hrs ago #53

Every one of these arguments SCantiGOP Yesterday #39

Why is david pakman promoting this BS? SSJVegeta 23 hrs ago #54

smartelections.us, a nonpartisan organization, is also looking into election fraud via computerized voting systems. Bluepinky Yesterday #41

If it is so widespread, why choose a few tiny precincts in a state that Harris won? MichMan Yesterday #45

Go to their website and watch the videos about their findings, very informative. Bluepinky Yesterday #49

What happens if the hand count in Rockland County NY doesn't pan out to show anything nefarious? MichMan 16 hrs ago #102

We won't know until it's completed. Let's see what it shows. Bluepinky 16 hrs ago #122

The Rockland County lawsuit is a joke. Wiz Imp 14 hrs ago #151

Why would you say that? All they want is to hand count the ballots questionseverything 4 hrs ago #175

If there is anyone in the world that would try to steal an election... kentuck Yesterday #44

SmartEleactions.us Sept 29, 8 pm ET. Election Verification Orientation. annielion Yesterday #47

That's great! SmartElections.us is so important and informative. Bluepinky 23 hrs ago #52

De rec. Sorry sis, but on this subject we most definitely part ways. Celerity 23 hrs ago #56

Just out of curiosity, do you acknowledge that volkswagons cheating software existed? questionseverything 15 hrs ago #125

I live in a swing state, Georgia. We received 12, yes 12, no exaggeration 12 flyers for Trump. None for Harris. Doodley 23 hrs ago #57

Both may be true. Bluepinky 20 hrs ago #66

Doubt the 2024 POTUS election more over time. PufPuf23 22 hrs ago #63

Saw that. returnee 21 hrs ago #64

Another angle: returnee 19 hrs ago #70

Yes. I have identified the same possible reverse psy-ops type technique. yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #129

This election denial nonsense is actually a malicious attack on the character of Kamala Harris tritsofme 19 hrs ago #71

And the elected officials of the swing states MichMan 16 hrs ago #101

Exactly. These attacks against Harris and Democrats really are pathetic. tritsofme 16 hrs ago #104

It took months and dozens of workers to find this evidence questionseverything 16 hrs ago #111

Yet within minutes of Harris' concession people were already pushing unfounded conspiracy theories. tritsofme 16 hrs ago #120

How would they catch it? Can they look into the computer guts questionseverything 16 hrs ago #123

There was nothing to catch, except in the imagination of the folks so enthralled with these conspiracy theories. tritsofme 15 hrs ago #127

I never thought he won fair and square and the muskrat rigged the election in his favor kimbutgar 18 hrs ago #76

Sounds like the exact same sort of election denial conspiracy theories Trumpers pushed in 2020. tritsofme 18 hrs ago #77

I agree with your comment and for a long time didn't want to think it was real but as time goes on I feel that way. kimbutgar 18 hrs ago #78

I'm disappointed and angry with my neighbors for choosing this evil tritsofme 18 hrs ago #79

Which voting machine companies are owned by democrats? questionseverything 17 hrs ago #95

Not just many, ALL of the swing states except for Georgia had Democratic Governors Wiz Imp 14 hrs ago #153

Repubs don't have to control the state, they already control the vote counting and reporting machines questionseverything 17 hrs ago #88

To think he won honestly is to defy logic, common sense, and facts. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #80

Ding ding malaise 17 hrs ago #92

If this were a criminal investigation it would be a slam dunk. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #97

Always ask the question - who benefits? yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #134

Yep Irish_Dem 15 hrs ago #136

Yup! and Yup! yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #132

Not enough data to convince me, but Coldwater 18 hrs ago #81

I don't know where you were, but Trump wasn't remotely quiet immediately after the election Wiz Imp 14 hrs ago #154

I like mayonnaise, also. Much better than miracle whip. madinmaryland 18 hrs ago #82

K&R spanone 15 hrs ago #144

We know she actually won Roxi 10 hrs ago #172

I hope we know tge truth before I croak malaise 4 hrs ago #174

I never thought Trump won. OLDMDDEM 3 hrs ago #176