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Eugene

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20. As with the 2017 Muslim ban, he will defy the Constitution and then yield what ground the courts force him to.

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Mon Jan 20, 2025, 12:55 PM

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He and his people hope for an end result with constitutional rights substantially pushed back.

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Can he really end birthright citizenship? Isn't it up to Congress? [View all] question everything Monday OP

All of this will be litigated for a while newdeal2 Monday #1

His congress will pass whatever he wants. MLAA Monday #2

It's a Constitutional Amendment, so it should require another amendment to reverse. hedda_foil Monday #3

I don't think Jilly_in_VA Monday #23

I hope you're right about that. nt Frank D. Lincoln Monday #27

They wiped out the 14th A before. carpetbagger Monday #29

They can just interpret a phrase or two in a different way. Igel Monday #30

they could mis/reinterpret "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" Orangepeel Monday #35

Ratification requires 3/4 of the states AFTER an wnylib Monday #42

So that means Donnie's anchor babies all have to go, right? Blue_Tires Monday #4

So do naturalized citizens. The 14th Amendment also establishes that they are citizens. rsdsharp Monday #14

And Musk's? how many does he have, a dozen? question everything Monday #19

My parents were not citizens when moonscape Monday #36

Congress can only changebit with an Amendment. Happy Hoosier Monday #5

I would not think so.. because it is in the Constitution.. 14th amendment Peacetrain Monday #6

The RW SCOTUS will try and use this part: Celerity Monday #13

This is exactly what they will use Amishman Monday #25

Congress plus 2/3 of the states dpibel Monday #7

3/4 of the states. cloudbase Monday #11

Thanks dpibel Monday #21

actually the argument isn't that the infants aren't under the jurisdiction but that the parents aren't dsc Monday #16

I thought he needed to push through a constitutional amendment, which Vogon_Glory Monday #8

ACLU, and other will file suits immediately, and it will take years to litigate. But in meantime, trump can say he Silent Type Monday #9

No he can't. It's in the Constitution. Wiz Imp Monday #10

Well, look at some of the fuckheads in Congress now. Initech Monday #12

The only way to end birthright citizenship VMA131Marine Monday #15

Court can just say no retroactivity dpibel Monday #22

Trump wants to deport people already here VMA131Marine Monday #33

ha ha ha. Left up to Congress? Irish_Dem Monday #17

No, and he can't legally do most of what he's proposing. GoCubsGo Monday #18

As with the 2017 Muslim ban, he will defy the Constitution and then yield what ground the courts force him to. Eugene Monday #20

What about Jilly_in_VA Monday #24

Birthright citizenship is in the U.S. constitution GoreWon2000 Monday #26

Anything he wants EarthAbides Monday #28

SCOTUS can ignore the plain language of the Amendment. DemocratSinceBirth Monday #31

Not just the language of the 14A VMA131Marine Monday #34

I don't believe they will but precedent hasn't stopped them in the past. DemocratSinceBirth Monday #37

How do you undo the precedent without VMA131Marine Monday #39

His Executive Order would be proactive, not retroactive. DemocratSinceBirth Monday #40

You are making a big assumption there VMA131Marine Monday #41

If he can't, it will be Obama's or Bidens fault. Win - Win LiberalArkie Monday #32

At this point, I suspect that SCOTUS Bettie Monday #38

The whole idea is to get this into the federal courts. totodeinhere Monday #43