America needs to suffer

[state of stupid]

68. Then they have not reached bottom.

I have tried to help people in 12 step programs by going with them to meetings.
You have to go to them to really understand what is going on and how you can help.

1) You cannot drag them there and expect it to work, because it will not. They are not willing.

2) You cannot defend what is not defensible, all the lies and manipulation the person will do
to feed the beast destroying them.

3) For the real hard cases. Rock bottom is when they are sitting at the bottom of the hell hole they
dug and there is nobody left. They have run off everybody who tries to help them. All their enablers
have finally left leaving them sitting in a very dark place, all alone. One of three things will happen,
they finally look in the mirror and realize they are the problem and that they are the solution to
their problem. Only then can you help them.

Or they sit at the bottom still blaming everything that has happened on everyone else and live a
miserable life to whatever end comes. Usually, they just keep on committing slow suicide.

Lastly, they finally drive themselves insane and seeing no hope they do commit suicide.

And that is the saddest part of all of it because their family and friends want to help but have to
watch a slow-moving train wreck happening and are unable to stop it. That is why it is called tough
love.