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ColinC

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41. The words of the constitution are clear.

Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:22 AM

Jan 6

The constitution is the supreme law of the land. Not following it, is by definition, illegal. Whether it is treated as so is different from whether it is the case.

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Congress can not count Trump's votes tomorrow, and Harris would become president. [View all] ColinC Jan 5 OP

WISH 🙏🏼 Clouds Passing Jan 5 #1

No wish or hope here. Just clearly what is legal. Congress certifying Trump should be considered a major illegal act. ColinC Jan 5 #2

And if it's illegal who's going to hold them accountable? live love laugh Jan 6 #13

If we decide that ultimately the constitution no longer matters ColinC Jan 6 #15

Lawlessness is already happening. There's no accountability. live love laugh Jan 6 #66

The Supreme Court Captain Zero Jan 6 #74

Yes, he should not be certified. Clouds Passing Jan 6 #65

That's a great idea, ForgedCrank Jan 5 #3

"Override the voters?" Like in 2016 and 2000? ColinC Jan 5 #6

They voted for Trump didn't they? nuxvomica Jan 6 #32

More people voted for and wanted someone not drumpf biophile Jan 6 #55

I agree, but it ain't gonna happen. Jeebo Jan 5 #4

Yeah totally. Upholding the rule of law has been a pipe dream for a while now... ColinC Jan 5 #5

Over ride the voters,...hell no.... magicarpet Jan 6 #7

Following the constitution means "overriding the voters" ColinC Jan 6 #8

. magicarpet Jan 6 #9

Has Trump been convicted of insurrection or rebellion? Kaleva Jan 6 #18

If you mean due process, the 5th amendement applies to life liberty and property ColinC Jan 6 #19

Again, isn't a person presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law? Kaleva Jan 6 #20

Again the stipulation for holding office is clear ColinC Jan 6 #21

Here are your words Kaleva Jan 6 #34

. ColinC Jan 6 #38

So Congress has the authority to decide if he's an insurrectionist or not Kaleva Jan 6 #45

My argument is they need to decide it. ColinC Jan 6 #47

According to the Constitution, Congress has the sole authority to decide if they need to address it or not Kaleva Jan 6 #50

According to the constitution, Congress has the responsibility to decide it. ColinC Jan 6 #53

They won't for the same reason they didn't for Biden Kaleva Jan 6 #57

For instance ColinC Jan 6 #48

Wouldn't that half have to file a petition? Kaleva Jan 6 #59

From your OP Kaleva Jan 6 #60

Representative Democracy requires incumbents to exercise judgment bucolic_frolic Jan 6 #54

Do we really want to be a pure democracy for the next 2-4 years? thatdemguy Jan 6 #64

This is not happening Renew Deal Jan 6 #10

If they do not remove the disability by a 2/3rds vote, it will be an illegal certification. ColinC Jan 6 #11

Technically they are not obligated to Renew Deal Jan 6 #22

Technically they are because the constitution requires them to. ColinC Jan 6 #29

Only if it is determined to be illegal. Renew Deal Jan 6 #37

Not how it works. ColinC Jan 6 #40

And this is why this is fan fiction Renew Deal Jan 6 #51

It's not illegal to have a different opinion than yours. That's why these are called "political questions" tritsofme Jan 6 #39

The words of the constitution are clear. ColinC Jan 6 #41

It is a political question for Congress to decide, disagreeing with you doesn't mean something illegal has happened. tritsofme Jan 6 #43

Disagreement has nothing to do with anything. ColinC Jan 6 #46

The words are clear to you personally. However this is a political, not a legal, determination to be made by Congress. tritsofme Jan 6 #56

For all intents and purposes my use of the word "illegal" is fairly meaningless ColinC Jan 6 #72

It really does FBaggins Jan 6 #68

I surrender!! ColinC Jan 6 #70

The Supreme Court already ruled that Article 3 of the 14th Amendment required Congress to pass summer_in_TX Jan 6 #12

The article i shared explained how the scotus ruling doesnt actually apply to certification ColinC Jan 6 #14

The article is fan fiction Renew Deal Jan 6 #23

It is written by supreme court clerks ColinC Jan 6 #25

And an article written by a supreme court clerk has no legal meaning thatdemguy Jan 6 #67

It's written by two former clerks FBaggins Jan 6 #69

... ColinC Jan 6 #76

Sorry - I had no intent to pile on FBaggins Jan 6 #80

No worries! ColinC Jan 6 #81

Yeah. Morbius Jan 6 #16

Again if congress wants to abide by the constitution and honor the will of the people they can do that ColinC Jan 6 #26

Maybe a snowstorm will do what the Krump army failed to do. usonian Jan 6 #17

🤔 ColinC Jan 6 #27

Is Putin behind this proposal in order to create a civil war? MichMan Jan 6 #24

Putin would love for us to ignore the constitution ColinC Jan 6 #28

I think you know. Morbius Jan 6 #31

The certification is likely going to be unanimous, or close to itactually. ColinC Jan 6 #42

There is no "disability". SCOTUS already killed this idea. Takket Jan 6 #36

Scotus said he can run for office ColinC Jan 6 #49

Yes, and Dems in 2027 should push legislation & let tRump veto it; then push in 2029 and D Pres sign it Bernardo de La Paz Jan 6 #71

LOL! VBNMW Jan 6 #78

Let's storm the capitol and stop the vote! Self Esteem Jan 6 #30

This would fail but they should at least try nuxvomica Jan 6 #33

You should probably set your eyes on something more realistic Takket Jan 6 #35

Pipe dream. MineralMan Jan 6 #44

If this insurrection was done by Democrats, Emile Jan 6 #52

There's still time for him to just fucking die Orrex Jan 6 #58

I guess the term 'domestic enemy' in the oaths of office is just there as fluff. nt Hotler Jan 6 #61

Even if Congress disregarded all of Trump's votes, Harris would not have an electoral vote majority Jose Garcia Jan 6 #62

That part isn't actually true FBaggins Jan 6 #73

Maybe Mother Nature will step in. DFW Jan 6 #63

I'm sure beds were wheeled into the congresscritters offices nitpicked Jan 6 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jan 6 #77

SAD VBNMW Jan 6 #79

They won't do a damn thing to stop this train to hell Meowmee Jan 7 #82