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Ndp5

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58. Insightful piece, despite...

Sat Jan 4, 2025, 11:47 PM

Jan 4

… the fact that he mostly talks to Washington elites. I feel like there’s a lot more to this, but his basic premise is right.

I realize in saying that I’m disagreeing with most posters here. But a) not all legacy news outlets are too far gone to read. If you want broken, try TikTok. And b) people in left-behind swing states wouldn’t be vulnerable to Trump messaging if there weren’t real economic anxiety and resentment at the establishment there. Culture wars stuff is the placebo Trump offers up for real economic ills.

Also, c) attacking the messenger or denying election results just helps Trump in the end, because it prevents Democrats from making the course correction they need to come back from their 2024 loss with a vengeance.

We already have one party that’s devoted to advancing Donald Trump’s career. We don’t need two of them.

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How the Democrats Lost the Working Class (NYT) [View all] dalton99a Jan 4 OP

"Free" trade and outsourcing madville Jan 4 #1

I don't understand why some here want cheap Chinese EV imports MichMan Jan 4 #9

how are they priced and featured compared to domestics? nt msongs Jan 4 #13

Like my neighbor that bought a cheap Chinese madville Jan 4 #20

Many of us simply want an affordable ev. We cannot afford to prop up the US auto industry. delisen Jan 4 #41

I guess we want the union vote without actually buying their products n/t MichMan Jan 4 #46

My point is that people have to be able to afford to buy the products delisen Jan 4 #51

Lithium battery golf carts cost $15k madville Jan 5 #69

GM Retiree here yankee87 Jan 4 #10

Should have mandated that they couldn't madville Jan 4 #21

My dad was a GM retiree. Borogove Jan 4 #40

Absolutely yankee87 Jan 4 #43

That was 40 years ago. People act like this is something new. It isn't. valleyrogue Jan 5 #66

And huge areas of the country madville Jan 5 #68

How does this article define the working class? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 4 #2

Blue collar Cirsium Jan 5 #59

Free trade benefits the majority. How do you stop globalization? AI is going to exacerbate things. This article has good OrlandoDem2 Jan 4 #3

good post! what the article utterly FAILS to address stopdiggin Jan 4 #12

No it doesn't benefit folks period. Cheap shit has been largely responsible for the Demsrule86 Jan 4 #44

MSM is going to preach to us, again, telling us what we are thinking. Well, I'm not blaming Dems for a sham election yaesu Jan 4 #4

Exactly. B.See Jan 4 #14

Thank you. Quiet Em Jan 4 #16

Y E S Cosmocat Jan 4 #52

Better yet NYT, lets talk about how the GOP lost the highly educated. multigraincracker Jan 4 #5

Robert Reich is one of the main reasons Clinton lost in 2016. His and a few other Democrats constant bashing of Silent Type Jan 4 #6

+ 1 BannonsLiver Jan 4 #8

Once again, I should have learned from you. Abolishinist Jan 4 #42

Isn't it wonderful to have Progressive dog Jan 4 #7

We need a lot more serious industrial policy in this country. The problem is... keep_left Jan 4 #11

Who will be the targets tomorrow?. The poor, it's always the poor. Autumn Jan 4 #15

Bill Clinton and Obama prove most of this is bs JI7 Jan 4 #17

fucking nonsense Skittles Jan 4 #18

Thank-you. Exactly. They are going to pay for their foolishness just as they did when they voted for Reagan, only this JohnSJ Jan 4 #49

even when repukes do toss a bone Skittles Jan 4 #50

The working class fell prey to the right wing spin machine. Initech Jan 4 #19

Two Messages resonated bigly in Detroit Kid Berwyn Jan 4 #22

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Yeah. I'd like to ask Plouffe about that. Kid Berwyn Jan 4 #31

Absolutely. keep_left Jan 4 #32

God forbid people look up the issues themselves 😔 Blue_Tires Jan 4 #27

True. People are busy, though. Kid Berwyn Jan 4 #34

Attorneys need part time jobs? 😮 Blue_Tires Jan 4 #36

they seem to always have time for social media and streaming crap Skittles Jan 4 #47

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Exactly Blue_Tires Jan 4 #37

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This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 4 #23

It's ending this year. Devastating if it doesn't get extended. jimfields33 Jan 4 #33

What the Democrats failed at, edhopper Jan 4 #24

God, not this blame-the-victim shit again Blue_Tires Jan 4 #26

Utter insanity Johnny2X2X Jan 4 #28

The NY times? Hard pass. awesomerwb1 Jan 4 #29

The Democrats did not lose the working class! ananda Jan 4 #35

Irony Alert: The NYT has never written for those whom they label " the working class."- They just write about them. delisen Jan 4 #38

"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton Ping Tung Jan 4 #45

F that. It should read How the Working Class lost its mind! nt Jit423 Jan 4 #48

Denial is still running strong for some. Passages Jan 4 #53

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Reich's a big believer in the left-leaning populist BS that Democrats ignore-hate unions and the white working class, betsuni Jan 4 #55

Biden has done nothing but enact policies geared toward the working class. I've said this before. In It to Win It Jan 4 #56

How the New York Times lost the Working Class... and me PJMcK Jan 4 #57

THANK YOU Skittles Jan 5 #63

Insightful piece, despite... Ndp5 Jan 4 #58

Please tell me what have the republicans done for the working man in the last 40 years Keepthesoulalive Jan 5 #60

As if 40 years of Republican trickle down economics has been fantastic for the working class! betsuni Jan 5 #61

That's why I said "placebo." A placebo pill does nothing Ndp5 Jan 5 #67

That placebo is the longest working painkiller in history Keepthesoulalive Jan 5 #70

American union membership peaked in the mid-50s -- class identity lessens as union membership does. betsuni Jan 5 #71

Trump doesn't give a DAMN about the working class Skittles Jan 5 #62

A thread on how Trump "won" the popular vote. Passages Jan 5 #64

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