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summer_in_TX

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48. Reminds me of the teacher training I took in the 1970s. The advice for how to handle student
Fri Jan 3, 2025, 11:13 PM
Jan 2025

misbehavior was to ignore it, deprive them of reinforcement (positive or negative).

Only problem was it assumed that only the teacher's attention mattered. The students laughing and encouraging their misbehavior far outweighed any ignoring I could do.

Later in looking back at the textbook for the course, I discovered the research on the effectiveness of ignoring was all done in a behavioral hospital setting where the researchers had far more control of the setting and the presence of an audience than any classroom teacher has.

US ignoring Trump won't do a damn thing.

At least not to stop or slow him in any way. It just means he does things without any resistance.

Maybe posting the firehose of news of the terrible things Trump administration will be doing and our discussion of it will be too overwhelmingly stressful and just seem hopeless to many here. I understand that feeling.

But for those of us working to help as many as possible who will be targets, we need the info. We also need to brainstorm and we need the discussion to inform our own thinking and formulate the best arguments, ones that will be an effective way to push back and delay or divert or rally the public opinion of fellow Americans.

I read this today and have been thinking about it ever since.

Will Stancil
‪@whstancil.bsky.social‬
The liberal answer of “sitting back and waiting for reality to reassert itself” doesn’t work because people don’t get their information about the world from reality, but mostly from each other. You have to go out there and contest the bad beliefs. That means talking to people you DON’T agree with.

And by “talking” I specifically mean “arguing with.” The dusty liberal fallback of “we need to be better listeners” does absolutely nothing to contest those false beliefs. It’s a contest for the collective mind and you’re never going to win it unless you actually try to take territory.

…You contest claims in public not to persuade the other side but to persuade the audience. In politics everything is always, always, always about persuading the audience. Looking like the smarter side to the audience. Convincing the audience.

Democrats and liberals specifically are terrible at this: they seem to think persuasion happens by directly making your case to voters. No! That’s wrong! The goal is to win the sympathies of the crowd, by engaging in conflicts where you look good and the other side looks stupid/venal/weak. It’s WWE

The reason you have to persuade people this way is that if you convince one person to agree with you, but the audience thinks the other side is winning, then the person you convinced will still most likely return to the popular consensus the moment they realize it exists


The liberal answer of “sitting back and waiting for reality to reassert itself” doesn’t work because people don’t get their information about the world from reality, but mostly from each other. You have to go out there and contest the bad beliefs. That means talking to people you DON’T agree with.

Will Stancil (@whstancil.bsky.social) 2025-01-03T17:37:52.820Z


I'd like to be able to do that. Only problem is I don't think fast on my feet and need all the help I can get to think things through. It'll take a lot of work to overcome those traits and get better in areas that are needed and then have a plan.

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It's a discussion board? Blues Heron Jan 2025 #1
It is. And there's millions of other topics to discuss. Very important topics. Yavin4 Jan 2025 #2
Or just take a break and let people post what they want? Blues Heron Jan 2025 #8
People can post whatever they want, but they should know that posting what Trump says does nothing. Yavin4 Jan 2025 #12
I respectfully disagree. William769 Jan 2025 #27
Yes, but most of what he says is a distraction. We need to Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #55
*sigh* No one is taking away your freedom of speech. Yavin was stating an opinion on Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #18
Everybody is stating there opinion, it's why we have the board sigh Blues Heron Jan 2025 #20
Don't you just want to do this sometimes? William769 Jan 2025 #29
Police the site as you are doing? Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #31
sigh Blues Heron Jan 2025 #36
sigh, indeed Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #37
What happens Jilly_in_VA Jan 2025 #3
He doesn't care. It doesn't affect him. Yavin4 Jan 2025 #5
I disagree with this. Being laughed at is his achilles heel. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #17
🤔we Might need some new Additional ways to laugh at him... electric_blue68 Jan 2025 #50
Yes. Psychologically, he's anything but complicated. Our side should be Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #54
THAT should be where we spend all our energy and airspace. THAT will hurt him. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #16
I agree, I can't wait for DU's new "Latest trump B.S." forum so I can trash the forum and never have to read his B.S. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #4
Yes, but he's going to be President. Tommy Carcetti Jan 2025 #6
So he says some foul things. What can we do about it? Yavin4 Jan 2025 #9
Goes double for those who post in ALL CAPS how he is DESTROYED, OWNED, RockRaven Jan 2025 #7
And "HUMILIATED" ... live love laugh Jan 2025 #35
Trump's own supporters: "You can't take him literally." sop Jan 2025 #10
It also just gets dismissed with the old "trump derangement syndrome" canard. D23MIURG23 Jan 2025 #11
As Rachel says, watch what they do, not what they say. nt Qutzupalotl Jan 2025 #13
YES !! eppur_se_muova Jan 2025 #47
Exactly! peggysue2 Jan 2025 #68
We Should Have Been Ignoring Him From The Get Go..... global1 Jan 2025 #14
And all of his most outrageous comments are very carefully designed to distract from Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #15
The felonious rapist does not read DU. Justice matters. Jan 2025 #19
Somebody in his camp does ... he just posted about flags half mast live love laugh Jan 2025 #34
A grifter is a grifter is a grifter. William769 Jan 2025 #21
THIS !!! Most of what Benedict Donald says is to distract away from the BS he's doing uponit7771 Jan 2025 #22
Puts me in mind of The Simpsons episode where the advertising mascots come to life and terrorize Springfield. Xavier Breath Jan 2025 #23
Love that episode. OldBaldy1701E Jan 2025 #24
Yeah, Bart appearing on the mascot devil's shoulder to egg him on was truly inspired. Xavier Breath Jan 2025 #25
"BART!" (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Jan 2025 #26
Exactly Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #28
Yes, by all means. Let's be good little Democrats. Paladin Jan 2025 #30
We've done just the opposite for the past 10 years. Yavin4 Jan 2025 #40
Ding ding ding PortTack Jan 2025 #46
Yeah, well. Congrats on your "accomplishment," here. Paladin Jan 2025 #53
How about this. Use your energy to rebuild the Democratic party. Yavin4 Jan 2025 #56
Enjoy my silence. (nt) Paladin Jan 2025 #58
I note that Joe Biden came out of retirement Dem4life1970 Jan 2025 #45
Yes. That was back when Trump had to stand for re-election. Yavin4 Jan 2025 #57
Yavin4, you are right. But that cuts both ways.... Dem4life1970 Jan 2025 #60
That's the wrong frame. Yavin4 Jan 2025 #61
I respect your opinion... Dem4life1970 Jan 2025 #63
Again, does not matter. Move on. Yavin4 Jan 2025 #64
Yes, I am focused on 2026 and taking the House and Senate back. Dem4life1970 Jan 2025 #67
Opinions have nothing to do with enabling the constant chaos which his words are meant to do nini Jan 2025 #66
Why is it that Democrats have to retreat, all the time? Paladin Jan 2025 #69
Who said to retreat? nini Jan 2025 #70
In other words, retreat. Paladin Jan 2025 #71
Exactly what you do in response evemac Jan 2025 #32
Exactly. Move forward without him. n/t Yavin4 Jan 2025 #41
Prepared for bills to be passed? What! By whom? Firestorm49 Jan 2025 #33
You wrote "the only resistance". You've given up? "the only resistance"? . . . NO. . . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #38
Boycott coverage of inauguration. Boycott MSM period. Joinfortmill Jan 2025 #39
I have been boycotting m$m for years now. No need to break that and watch the sickening event scheduled on 1/20 PortTack Jan 2025 #44
"Constantly reacting to what Trump says..." J_William_Ryan Jan 2025 #42
Very sound advice...it's certainly my plan as we move forward. PortTack Jan 2025 #43
Reminds me of the teacher training I took in the 1970s. The advice for how to handle student summer_in_TX Jan 2025 #48
Basically ThePartyThatListens Jan 2025 #49
That energy is commonly known as a "narcissistic supply". LastDemocratInSC Jan 2025 #51
You are spot on, don't give the sick attention! arthritisR_US Jan 2025 #52
You may not like it but what he says does matter. His words impact us all. Autumn Jan 2025 #59
You Are Incorrect, I Believe. MineralMan Jan 2025 #62
So true 👍 TommieMommy Jan 2025 #65
Exactly..... prodigitalson Jan 2025 #72
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