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ZonkerHarris

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Sat Dec 21, 2024, 11:32 PM Dec 21

Democrats need to let the GOP fuck up Americans lives next year. We can't save them from their own ramifications. [View all]

Democrats need to let the GOP fuck up Americans lives next year.
We can't save them from their own ramifications.
The American People will not learn that way.
We cannot be Superman and swoop to the rescue every time, preventing the worst possible outcomes.
Give the people what they voted for: chaos, inflation, and hate.
Then they might start to vote FOR their interests, instead of against them.

This was a reply that started an interesting discussion.
FYI: This is not a call for Democrats to vote with the GOP and pass their bills.
We should vote against but we also need to stop negotiating with House and senate Republicans who NEVER keep their word on a deal.
Fuck 'em and let them sink Americans and realize we were straight with them all along.
My signature line says it all: "Orcutt's 1st Law: Before things get better, they must get much worse." - from the novel THE FOOLS IN TOWN ARE ON OUR SIDE by Ross Thomas

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/11/18/2287041/-Trump-voters-f-cked-around-now-they-re-about-to-find-out?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=from_markos_desk&pm_medium=web

Rural America has been the bedrock of MAGA support. This year, 64% of rural voters went for Trump, and just 32% for Harris. And the nonprofit news outlet Investigate Midwest finds that Trump won over 77% of the popular vote, on average, in the nation’s most farming-dependent counties. So you know the leopards are hungrily circling that crowd.
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One of the election’s most bizarre developments was that many Muslim Americans abandoned the Democratic ticket for both Trump and Green Party candidate Jill Stein, largely due to the Biden administration’s support for Israel in its war against Hamas. In fact, Arab-majority Dearborn, Michigan, went from a 69% Biden majority in 2020 to giving Vice President Kamala Harris just 36% of its vote this November. Trump got 42%, and Stein got 18%. Boy, did they send a message for peace! .
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No modern-era president did more for organized labor than Joe Biden. Among other things, he was the first president to walk a picket line, bailed out the pension for 600,000 Teamsters at a taxpayer’s cost of $36 billion, helped radicalize billionaire Elon Musk by excluding him from an electrical-vehicle summit at the apparent behest of the United Auto Workers union, increased funding for the National Labor Relations Board, and stocked that board with labor advocates.

In return, the Teamsters refused to endorse a presidential candidate, and the union’s president, Sean O’Brien, spoke at the Republican National Convention, and 45% of labor households voted for Trump, compared with 40% in 2020, according to exit polls.

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Only problem, too many that didn't vote for this bullshit Meadowoak Dec 22 #1
Yeah, that's what happened the last time too and everybody forgot. Maybe they'll vote next time. ZonkerHarris Dec 22 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 23 #42
It's going to happen anyway, and pain is a good motivator. kysrsoze Dec 22 #3
Nope BWdem4life Dec 22 #4
That is the Republicans' deinition of bipartisanship MurrayDelph Dec 26 #56
100% Blue Full Moon Saturday #64
People forget it's not just Fox News, Newsmax, & OANN that report right-slanted news, CrispyQ Dec 26 #58
I agree. 33taw Dec 22 #5
The Eternal(-ish) Cycle: Grokenstein Dec 22 #6
Calls for some "tough love" ZonkerHarris Dec 22 #11
Yeah? I could be homeless if my gov't support is diminished.... electric_blue68 Dec 22 #13
If the GOP has the votes and the will to fuck up Social Security and Medicare etc then what do you expect Democrats to ZonkerHarris Dec 22 #19
It's the Way You Phrased it (imho) electric_blue68 Dec 26 #51
Me too Granny Blue Dec 22 #34
Woah. I get it, and with help, and effort you've made increadible progress with Proper... electric_blue68 Dec 26 #53
Bravo! Bingo Karma13612 Dec 26 #48
ty... living in a blue State, and city might help for a while but not electric_blue68 Dec 26 #50
Jellybean Naptime Cowboy - that's a good one. 3catwoman3 Dec 23 #35
Sadly his maggot supporters have to suffer the consequences of his administration kimbutgar Dec 22 #7
Also sadly, in their own minds they are the martyrs, taxi Dec 22 #10
See my post #13. electric_blue68 Dec 22 #14
Wow. I couldn't agree more. Pototan Dec 22 #8
See my post #13. electric_blue68 Dec 22 #15
Everyone here did all we could to defeat Trump Pototan Dec 22 #17
You said in post #8 you agreed w the OP's points... electric_blue68 Dec 22 #18
Trump is going to be President again. People are going to get hurt and die. It's what he does. ZonkerHarris Dec 22 #22
Here's one scenario to chew on, however. It's hypothetical right now... keep_left Dec 22 #9
another pandemic under Trump and JKF Jr is a "when" not an "if" ZonkerHarris Dec 22 #20
Not much doubt about that. keep_left Dec 23 #36
I think Democrats need to visibly try to mitigate the suffering of everyday Americans. Morbius Dec 22 #12
We did that and lost. Did you read the last 4 paragraphs that I pasted from the linked article?... ZonkerHarris Dec 22 #21
Agree. Millions didn't vote for that shit... CousinIT Dec 22 #28
Not do their jobs? So nobody's governing? Americans have no idea what's going on. No. betsuni Dec 22 #16
What are you going to do when some Democrats start voting to confirm trump nominees, like last time? ZonkerHarris Dec 22 #24
I don't how to do their job so it doesn't matter what I do. betsuni Dec 22 #26
pressuring your elected officials to keep their promises and serve their constituents is your job. ZonkerHarris Dec 22 #30
Absolutely insane that 1,000,000 dead from COVID wasn't a deal breaker. Initech Dec 22 #23
Time for America to FAFO. They fucked around, time to find out. That's all I'm saying here. ZonkerHarris Dec 22 #25
I'm honestly starting to agree with that sentiment! Initech Dec 22 #33
F*vk rhe farmers CousinIT Dec 22 #27
I agree with you. ecstatic Dec 22 #29
Like just let them get rid of Social Security? TheFarseer Dec 22 #31
If the GOP has the votes and the will to fuck up Social Security and Medicare etc then what do you expect Democrats to ZonkerHarris Dec 22 #32
Filibuster TheFarseer Dec 23 #39
You think shame works with these assholes? Seriously? Give me some examples where it has worked in the last 8 years. ZonkerHarris Dec 23 #40
Not shame TheFarseer Dec 23 #41
Yeah the party gerrymandered into a majority is gonna be worried about losing. ZonkerHarris Dec 25 #44
They are not going to get Karma13612 Dec 26 #49
We should vote against pretty much everything dsc Dec 23 #37
This is the way ZonkerHarris Dec 23 #38
The problem is those people live in a different reality Blue_Tires Dec 23 #43
You can't fool all of the people all of the time. ZonkerHarris Dec 25 #45
Unless they want to be fooled Blue_Tires Dec 26 #47
Democrats need to throw me to the wolves? Iggo Dec 25 #46
How are Democrats going to throw you to the wolves? The Republicans will hold all the power. hadEnuf Dec 26 #55
Mostly, Democrats do have souls. Lovie777 Dec 26 #52
Nah, that never works. Too many voters don't remember the damgages of GOP administrations Attilatheblond Dec 26 #54
That's why they need to feel the true pain of Trump and the GOP now. ZonkerHarris Dec 26 #57
since they don't do reality, do you really think they will figure out who authors their pain? Attilatheblond Dec 26 #59
Suffer enough and see the truth. ZonkerHarris Saturday #60
Ever have to deal with an alcoholic daily in the family? Attilatheblond Saturday #62
Yup, let the vulnerable trans population suffer for the sins of gullible Americans... DSandra Saturday #61
here's the thing. Trump won so everyone will suffer. ZonkerHarris Yesterday #66
Never known a republican who would take Personal Responsibility Emile Saturday #63
For Americans to change Blue Full Moon Saturday #65
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