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betsuni

(27,368 posts)
92. Waste of time seeing the same wrong things every day
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 12:08 AM
Dec 17

The big advice, Democrats should:

be more like Republicans

shouldn't only be "we're not Republicans"

shouldn't be Republican lite neoliberal neoliberal neoliberal

should've stopped all the bad things, that means they didn't want to

are to blame for every bad thing that has happened in the last 40 years at least

people whine about search for Goldilocks magic messaging words that don't exist and cling to conviction magical stern speeches promising to "stand up to" and "fight for" will instantly make voters stop voting against their own economic advantage -- it's easy -- words, not actually doing anything (incrementalism bad) are the most important thing

rich liberals must buy a nation-wide media empire like Republicans have been building since the 70s and force everyone to listen -- easy! while demonizing wealthy people as cartoon villains

if Democrats talk too much about accompaniments they are dumb and think everything's fixed and don't have to do anymore and must be harshly scolded (teach them a lesson)

even though the less money people have the more likely they vote for Democrats, the party is all wealthy elites with no idea of who the American working class is

Obama and Biden administrations were most diverse and progressive up to that point in history (Kamal's would've been too) but lying and calling them old centrist elites who must be replaced made it true

get polarization started early and haul all the insults for Democrats out of the closet, especially "establishment" -- vital to create a fake different between Democrats (corrupt establishment elites) and "progressives" (anti-establishment morally pure) for the next election (when goals are the same viciously attack other ways to accomplish them with purity tests -- they'll do it with Medicare for All again) -- and never mention Republicans control Congress (never mention reality in general)

whine about Democrats not giving away their plans for the future in public to enemies -- assume nothing is being done and nobody is doing anything

waste of time

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Democracy: The Path Forward Noel Kums Dec 16 #1
I was thinking along those lines as well. Perhaps: The Democratic Party--the Way Forward Hekate Dec 16 #9
I like that. True Blue American Jan 5 #141
Unfortunately we aren't a Democracy any more. progressoid Dec 16 #28
Wow, that's really helpful. NJCher Dec 17 #109
Is the statement incorrect? Magoo48 Dec 17 #120
yes NJCher Dec 17 #121
I agre that giving up is never an option. Magoo48 Dec 17 #126
Tell that to Jimmy Carter. progressoid Dec 17 #128
So one 100-year old person in GA NJCher Dec 17 #129
What I think has little relevance to what we have become progressoid Dec 17 #133
How about the "Bash Democratic Public Figures" Forum? underpants Dec 16 #2
I laughed--thanks Lulu KC Dec 16 #13
Oh flvegan Dec 16 #19
! Kali Dec 16 #31
Honesty is the best policy Prairie Gates Dec 16 #43
A new forum would be good iemanja Dec 17 #91
"Democratic Party: Strategy" Forum Dennis Donovan Dec 16 #3
I second that! Elessar Zappa Dec 16 #7
Democratic party: New Strategies for Success ?? NewHendoLib Dec 16 #11
I third that. ancianita Dec 16 #24
Dennis, I like this too Mike 03 Dec 16 #27
Good descriptive title senseandsensibility Dec 16 #42
Like it because describes what it will be about. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 16 #68
Name: Digging Out. Sneederbunk Dec 16 #4
Where We Gonna Go Now? UpInArms Dec 16 #5
Democratic Curmudgeons ThoughtCriminal Dec 16 #6
Criticize, yes. Come up with a constructive alternative, a Big Yes. Venting, no. ancianita Dec 16 #25
You seem to consistently argue iemanja Dec 16 #89
Organizing for the Future proud patriot Dec 16 #8
Sincere thanks, EarlG Hekate Dec 16 #10
In spatial design, we would call this effort "Wayfinding" or "Pathfinding".... Think. Again. Dec 16 #12
The forum would have its own Statement of Purpose, just like all the others, but EarlG Dec 16 #17
I remember the Obama years Elessar Zappa Dec 16 #21
What about combining the two names into Trailblazing Roundtable? wnylib Dec 16 #61
Campaign-free party politics. That's a tough one. nt taxi Dec 16 #14
Vanguard Forum chia Dec 16 #15
K&R Solly Mack Dec 16 #16
"Looking Forward" forum. Emile Dec 16 #18
Winners Circle ? Voter Education ? KS Toronado Dec 16 #20
That should be a whole 'nother forum! Lunabell Dec 16 #47
This machine kills fascists. (what was written on Woody Guthrie's guitar). Nanjeanne Dec 16 #22
Thanks so much, EarlG. greatauntoftriplets Dec 16 #23
Building a Democratic Tomorrow nt allegorical oracle Dec 16 #26
You've been amazing. Between the new updates Mike 03 Dec 16 #29
The Blueprint /nt Sweet Freedom Dec 16 #30
I like that. But, if I may... Lunabell Dec 16 #46
In the past, you did have "'General Discussion: Politics'" BumRushDaShow Dec 16 #32
I like it! senseandsensibility Dec 16 #38
+1 leftstreet Dec 16 #82
How about Cherokee100 Dec 16 #33
Democracy At Risk, or, Goddess Help US!!! niyad Dec 16 #34
How about Cherokee100 Dec 16 #35
"No more mister nice guy" SpankMe Dec 17 #119
Don't Bash Bernie. speak easy Dec 16 #36
I don't think so. Lunabell Dec 16 #45
Really, Emile Dec 16 #48
Yes, really. Lunabell Dec 16 #49
"(eg: Bernie Sanders)" ? speak easy Dec 16 #50
It was about HRC criticism. Lunabell Dec 16 #52
for example Bernie Sanders speak easy Dec 16 #53
I just told you. Lunabell Dec 16 #54
Aloha speak easy.. You are Correct of Course.. it's right Cha Jan 1 #140
Democratic (or Progressive ifm one prefers).. Joe_michigan Dec 16 #37
Thanks Earl. Only name I can think of is titling this new forum, is 'The New Democratic Party'... SWBTATTReg Dec 16 #39
Demopalooza: The Musical JoseBalow Dec 16 #40
This is a good idea on balance, and certainly needed Prairie Gates Dec 16 #41
I whole heartedly agree. Lunabell Dec 16 #44
Democrats: The Future? Prairie_Seagull Dec 17 #117
Yes, TY... "Constructive Criticism".... What I've Cha Dec 16 #51
'A Democratic Future' hurl Dec 16 #55
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 16 #56
How about pwb Dec 16 #57
Democracy Forward n/t CousinIT Dec 16 #58
Think. Again. AKwannabe Dec 16 #59
Kicking again AKwannabe Dec 16 #60
The Octagon Xolodno Dec 16 #62
But what about the first rule? GigiLeigh Dec 16 #83
What good will this do Dumpy Dec 16 #63
I still don't know how the "not quite breaks the rule" or "close, but breaks the rule" apply question everything Dec 16 #64
"Build Back Better" ? Think. Again. Dec 16 #65
New Perspective msfiddlestix Dec 16 #66
"What he did and diminished today." babylonsister Dec 16 #67
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 16 #69
Back so soon? Hah, Hah, Hah!!! GP6971 Dec 16 #71
WTF? I assume that's an old friend in a new suit? Bleacher Creature Dec 16 #73
Same old, same old troll. GP6971 Dec 16 #76
Hello...No...Goodbye. sheshe2 Dec 17 #105
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 17 #106
If you are looking for a website to suit your needs mercuryblues Dec 16 #75
Interesting first post Polybius Dec 16 #78
Internal affairs consider_this Dec 16 #70
General Discussion: Politics was amazing! Polybius Dec 16 #72
Or maybe GD: Strategy -- TBF Dec 16 #77
I like that. Silver Gaia Dec 16 #80
GD: Strategy is short and to the point. summer_in_TX Dec 16 #84
I like Strategy Roundtable too - TBF Dec 16 #86
""Democratic Introspection and Self-reflection" Seeking Serenity Dec 16 #74
Escaping the Handbasket BWdem4life Dec 16 #79
Political Tactics and Strategy Celerity Dec 16 #81
Democratic Party Rebirth - DPR Stinky The Clown Dec 16 #85
I like the idea of a Rebirth or . . . peggysue2 Dec 17 #134
strategy orleans Dec 16 #87
How about: "Reforming the Democratic Party." iemanja Dec 16 #88
"Democratic Party Future" Jack Valentino Dec 17 #90
Waste of time seeing the same wrong things every day betsuni Dec 17 #92
This is a terrible reply! AKwannabe Dec 17 #124
No it isn't. The poster makes good points n/t leftstreet Dec 17 #131
Since we timms139 Dec 17 #93
"The Way Forward" intrepidity Dec 17 #94
Self-criticism Algernon Moncrieff Dec 17 #95
I like Dennis's, Hekate's ideas ...also electric_blue68 Dec 17 #96
Moving the Tent Forward Roy Rolling Dec 17 #97
100% behind a new politics forum that trolls won't look at ! kimbutgar Dec 17 #98
"...If anyone has an idea for a new name for this forum, please reply..." LudwigPastorius Dec 17 #99
The New Democratic Paradigm. nt Frank D. Lincoln Dec 17 #100
Will alerts from this forum be labeled? Ms. Toad Dec 17 #101
"Don't interfere with forum moderation". How about you create a specific forum where folks who feel badly treated... MMBeilis Dec 17 #102
At DU no one can be badly treated by a moderator Shrek Dec 17 #110
There are mods (maybe just the owners have that power, I am not sure). You see it when an account is PPR'ed, not Celerity Dec 17 #127
Democratic Resurgence IndianaDave Dec 17 #103
I would take one suggestion and reduce it further. DFW Dec 17 #104
Yes NJCher Dec 17 #111
I like a phrase you used in post #17 as the name of new forum, EarlG... PunkinPi Dec 17 #107
Some are chafing at the bit to criticize and I don't like that. live love laugh Dec 17 #108
Well if you're SURE we can say what we want... justaprogressive Dec 17 #112
Regenerative Democracy ultralite001 Dec 17 #113
S.E.R.E. radicalleft Dec 17 #114
I would like to se the word "forward" used somehow. Example "Democratic Party Forward". justhanginon Dec 17 #115
I have no additional input from the current replies, other than to say I would probably use it. It would be nice to be.. usaf-vet Dec 17 #116
There has been an outbreak of unhandled misinfo/disinfo for the last 6 months or so Renew Deal Dec 17 #118
It has been one unbroken "election season" since 2016. malthaussen Dec 17 #122
"The Progressive Agenda Unfiltered" Cattledog Dec 17 #123
Democratic Strategy War Room n/t Hahn_Bikey Dec 17 #125
"Compass and Map" WheelWalker Dec 17 #130
"Constructive Dissent" HereForTheParty Dec 17 #132
This may not be the correct word but.... MuseRider Dec 17 #135
Forward Wild blueberry Dec 17 #136
Project 2025 (Corrected Version) n/t Hahn_Bikey Dec 18 #137
How will you decide on a Forum name, Earl? summer_in_TX Dec 18 #138
Possible Subtitle/Subtopics jxla Dec 22 #139
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