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betsuni

(27,921 posts)
92. Waste of time seeing the same wrong things every day
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 01:08 AM
Dec 2024

The big advice, Democrats should:

be more like Republicans

shouldn't only be "we're not Republicans"

shouldn't be Republican lite neoliberal neoliberal neoliberal

should've stopped all the bad things, that means they didn't want to

are to blame for every bad thing that has happened in the last 40 years at least

people whine about search for Goldilocks magic messaging words that don't exist and cling to conviction magical stern speeches promising to "stand up to" and "fight for" will instantly make voters stop voting against their own economic advantage -- it's easy -- words, not actually doing anything (incrementalism bad) are the most important thing

rich liberals must buy a nation-wide media empire like Republicans have been building since the 70s and force everyone to listen -- easy! while demonizing wealthy people as cartoon villains

if Democrats talk too much about accompaniments they are dumb and think everything's fixed and don't have to do anymore and must be harshly scolded (teach them a lesson)

even though the less money people have the more likely they vote for Democrats, the party is all wealthy elites with no idea of who the American working class is

Obama and Biden administrations were most diverse and progressive up to that point in history (Kamal's would've been too) but lying and calling them old centrist elites who must be replaced made it true

get polarization started early and haul all the insults for Democrats out of the closet, especially "establishment" -- vital to create a fake different between Democrats (corrupt establishment elites) and "progressives" (anti-establishment morally pure) for the next election (when goals are the same viciously attack other ways to accomplish them with purity tests -- they'll do it with Medicare for All again) -- and never mention Republicans control Congress (never mention reality in general)

whine about Democrats not giving away their plans for the future in public to enemies -- assume nothing is being done and nobody is doing anything

waste of time

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Democracy: The Path Forward Noel Kums Dec 2024 #1
I was thinking along those lines as well. Perhaps: The Democratic Party--the Way Forward Hekate Dec 2024 #9
I like that. True Blue American Jan 2025 #141
Unfortunately we aren't a Democracy any more. progressoid Dec 2024 #28
Wow, that's really helpful. NJCher Dec 2024 #109
Is the statement incorrect? Magoo48 Dec 2024 #120
yes NJCher Dec 2024 #121
I agre that giving up is never an option. Magoo48 Dec 2024 #126
Tell that to Jimmy Carter. progressoid Dec 2024 #128
So one 100-year old person in GA NJCher Dec 2024 #129
What I think has little relevance to what we have become progressoid Dec 2024 #133
How about the "Bash Democratic Public Figures" Forum? underpants Dec 2024 #2
I laughed--thanks Lulu KC Dec 2024 #13
Oh flvegan Dec 2024 #19
! Kali Dec 2024 #31
Honesty is the best policy Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #43
A new forum would be good iemanja Dec 2024 #91
"Democratic Party: Strategy" Forum Dennis Donovan Dec 2024 #3
I second that! Elessar Zappa Dec 2024 #7
Democratic party: New Strategies for Success ?? NewHendoLib Dec 2024 #11
I third that. ancianita Dec 2024 #24
Dennis, I like this too Mike 03 Dec 2024 #27
Good descriptive title senseandsensibility Dec 2024 #42
Like it because describes what it will be about. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 2024 #68
Name: Digging Out. Sneederbunk Dec 2024 #4
Where We Gonna Go Now? UpInArms Dec 2024 #5
Democratic Curmudgeons ThoughtCriminal Dec 2024 #6
Criticize, yes. Come up with a constructive alternative, a Big Yes. Venting, no. ancianita Dec 2024 #25
You seem to consistently argue iemanja Dec 2024 #89
Organizing for the Future proud patriot Dec 2024 #8
Sincere thanks, EarlG Hekate Dec 2024 #10
In spatial design, we would call this effort "Wayfinding" or "Pathfinding".... Think. Again. Dec 2024 #12
The forum would have its own Statement of Purpose, just like all the others, but EarlG Dec 2024 #17
I remember the Obama years Elessar Zappa Dec 2024 #21
What about combining the two names into Trailblazing Roundtable? wnylib Dec 2024 #61
Campaign-free party politics. That's a tough one. nt taxi Dec 2024 #14
Vanguard Forum chia Dec 2024 #15
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2024 #16
"Looking Forward" forum. Emile Dec 2024 #18
Winners Circle ? Voter Education ? KS Toronado Dec 2024 #20
That should be a whole 'nother forum! Lunabell Dec 2024 #47
This machine kills fascists. (what was written on Woody Guthrie's guitar). Nanjeanne Dec 2024 #22
Thanks so much, EarlG. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2024 #23
Building a Democratic Tomorrow nt allegorical oracle Dec 2024 #26
You've been amazing. Between the new updates Mike 03 Dec 2024 #29
The Blueprint /nt Sweet Freedom Dec 2024 #30
I like that. But, if I may... Lunabell Dec 2024 #46
In the past, you did have "'General Discussion: Politics'" BumRushDaShow Dec 2024 #32
I like it! senseandsensibility Dec 2024 #38
+1 leftstreet Dec 2024 #82
How about Cherokee100 Dec 2024 #33
Democracy At Risk, or, Goddess Help US!!! niyad Dec 2024 #34
How about Cherokee100 Dec 2024 #35
"No more mister nice guy" SpankMe Dec 2024 #119
Don't Bash Bernie. speak easy Dec 2024 #36
I don't think so. Lunabell Dec 2024 #45
Really, Emile Dec 2024 #48
Yes, really. Lunabell Dec 2024 #49
"(eg: Bernie Sanders)" ? speak easy Dec 2024 #50
It was about HRC criticism. Lunabell Dec 2024 #52
for example Bernie Sanders speak easy Dec 2024 #53
I just told you. Lunabell Dec 2024 #54
Aloha speak easy.. You are Correct of Course.. it's right Cha Jan 2025 #140
Democratic (or Progressive ifm one prefers).. Joe_michigan Dec 2024 #37
Thanks Earl. Only name I can think of is titling this new forum, is 'The New Democratic Party'... SWBTATTReg Dec 2024 #39
Demopalooza: The Musical JoseBalow Dec 2024 #40
This is a good idea on balance, and certainly needed Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #41
I whole heartedly agree. Lunabell Dec 2024 #44
Democrats: The Future? Prairie_Seagull Dec 2024 #117
Yes, TY... "Constructive Criticism".... What I've Cha Dec 2024 #51
'A Democratic Future' hurl Dec 2024 #55
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2024 #56
How about pwb Dec 2024 #57
Democracy Forward n/t CousinIT Dec 2024 #58
Think. Again. AKwannabe Dec 2024 #59
Kicking again AKwannabe Dec 2024 #60
The Octagon Xolodno Dec 2024 #62
But what about the first rule? GigiLeigh Dec 2024 #83
What good will this do Dumpy Dec 2024 #63
I still don't know how the "not quite breaks the rule" or "close, but breaks the rule" apply question everything Dec 2024 #64
"Build Back Better" ? Think. Again. Dec 2024 #65
New Perspective msfiddlestix Dec 2024 #66
"What he did and diminished today." babylonsister Dec 2024 #67
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2024 #69
Back so soon? Hah, Hah, Hah!!! GP6971 Dec 2024 #71
WTF? I assume that's an old friend in a new suit? Bleacher Creature Dec 2024 #73
Same old, same old troll. GP6971 Dec 2024 #76
Hello...No...Goodbye. sheshe2 Dec 2024 #105
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2024 #106
If you are looking for a website to suit your needs mercuryblues Dec 2024 #75
Interesting first post Polybius Dec 2024 #78
Internal affairs consider_this Dec 2024 #70
General Discussion: Politics was amazing! Polybius Dec 2024 #72
Or maybe GD: Strategy -- TBF Dec 2024 #77
I like that. Silver Gaia Dec 2024 #80
GD: Strategy is short and to the point. summer_in_TX Dec 2024 #84
I like Strategy Roundtable too - TBF Dec 2024 #86
""Democratic Introspection and Self-reflection" Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #74
Escaping the Handbasket BWdem4life Dec 2024 #79
Political Tactics and Strategy Celerity Dec 2024 #81
Democratic Party Rebirth - DPR Stinky The Clown Dec 2024 #85
I like the idea of a Rebirth or . . . peggysue2 Dec 2024 #134
strategy orleans Dec 2024 #87
How about: "Reforming the Democratic Party." iemanja Dec 2024 #88
"Democratic Party Future" Jack Valentino Dec 2024 #90
Waste of time seeing the same wrong things every day betsuni Dec 2024 #92
This is a terrible reply! AKwannabe Dec 2024 #124
No it isn't. The poster makes good points n/t leftstreet Dec 2024 #131
Since we timms139 Dec 2024 #93
"The Way Forward" intrepidity Dec 2024 #94
Self-criticism Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2024 #95
I like Dennis's, Hekate's ideas ...also electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #96
Moving the Tent Forward Roy Rolling Dec 2024 #97
100% behind a new politics forum that trolls won't look at ! kimbutgar Dec 2024 #98
"...If anyone has an idea for a new name for this forum, please reply..." LudwigPastorius Dec 2024 #99
The New Democratic Paradigm. nt Frank D. Lincoln Dec 2024 #100
Will alerts from this forum be labeled? Ms. Toad Dec 2024 #101
"Don't interfere with forum moderation". How about you create a specific forum where folks who feel badly treated... MMBeilis Dec 2024 #102
At DU no one can be badly treated by a moderator Shrek Dec 2024 #110
There are mods (maybe just the owners have that power, I am not sure). You see it when an account is PPR'ed, not Celerity Dec 2024 #127
Democratic Resurgence IndianaDave Dec 2024 #103
I would take one suggestion and reduce it further. DFW Dec 2024 #104
Yes NJCher Dec 2024 #111
I like a phrase you used in post #17 as the name of new forum, EarlG... PunkinPi Dec 2024 #107
Some are chafing at the bit to criticize and I don't like that. live love laugh Dec 2024 #108
Well if you're SURE we can say what we want... justaprogressive Dec 2024 #112
Regenerative Democracy ultralite001 Dec 2024 #113
S.E.R.E. radicalleft Dec 2024 #114
I would like to se the word "forward" used somehow. Example "Democratic Party Forward". justhanginon Dec 2024 #115
I have no additional input from the current replies, other than to say I would probably use it. It would be nice to be.. usaf-vet Dec 2024 #116
There has been an outbreak of unhandled misinfo/disinfo for the last 6 months or so Renew Deal Dec 2024 #118
It has been one unbroken "election season" since 2016. malthaussen Dec 2024 #122
"The Progressive Agenda Unfiltered" Cattledog Dec 2024 #123
Democratic Strategy War Room n/t Hahn_Bikey Dec 2024 #125
"Compass and Map" WheelWalker Dec 2024 #130
"Constructive Dissent" HereForTheParty Dec 2024 #132
This may not be the correct word but.... MuseRider Dec 2024 #135
Forward Wild blueberry Dec 2024 #136
Project 2025 (Corrected Version) n/t Hahn_Bikey Dec 2024 #137
How will you decide on a Forum name, Earl? summer_in_TX Dec 2024 #138
Possible Subtitle/Subtopics jxla Dec 2024 #139
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