Lawrence O'Donnell: Trump has realized how Joe Biden boxed him in on the debt ceiling - The Last Word - MSNBC

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MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell explains why if the government goes into shutdown again, it could be best described as the Musk-Trump shutdown. - Aired on 12/18/2024.

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1. Good explanation of the mess that once again had a bipartisan agreement..like the border bill they wanted

It’s gonna be a long and painful 4 years but Biden tried to hold this off by his strategy so..do we let em have their way or do we straighten our backbones and let em own it.

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2. Obviously let them own it, according to MSNBC they may be looking for a new Speaker soon.

MAGA Mike is in trouble - and we'll be faced with another Republican Speaker mess.

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3. Nah. Not a problem at all. He can just use the 'Trillion Dollar Coin' trick that was so popular here a few years back

to avoid the 'unconstitutional' debt limit.

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4. So up their alley..drama, chaos and ignorance from the unqualified who want to govern

Let em own it and see what the people will do about it..we’ve bailed em out too many times to not be appreciated

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5. You're completely right, and they'll owe us yet again if, as was predicted today, they decide to elect a new Speaker

Meanwhile, private citizens are calling the shots in Congress.

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6. Elon Musk is a domestic terrorist from South Africa...

He used a false visa to immigrate to the US of A.

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7. Is he even a citizen? He appears to think he's qualified to direct Congress!

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8. I looked him up and he did become an American citizen after previously becoming a Canadian citizen

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9. He is loyal to Putin, not the US. So he is violating his citizenship oath.

And he obtained his visa illegally.
Did not admit to his drug addiction?

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10. Well then, so is TFG? He's certainly not here for the American people - like any other POTUS in history

And he doesn't mean a word of his oath to the Constitution, he has zero idea of what it actually says (like that he's prohibited to run for public office).

[Irish_Dem]

11. Yes but Trump has immunity for all of his crimes and rule violations.

Musk doesn't.

When my Irish grandparents became US citizens, they had to sign a loyalty oath to the US and the Constitution.
If they violated it they were told they would be deported. They took it seriously and were very loyal to the US.
All their sons served in the US military.

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12. Oh! Same here! My paternal great-grandparents also came from Ireland

My great-grandfather came as a young man and my great-grandmother came earlier with her family as a little girl. And their two eldest sons also served, they signed up together for WWI. My grandfather (the eldest) brought ammunition to the front on horseback. I have his discharge papers. And my great uncle served at the front. A few years ago I went to a ceremony where he was awarded the Silver Star. Four of his five children were there and his eldest daughter read letters he'd sent to his sister about the battle for which he won that award. Two Congressional districts brought his family flags which had flown over the Capitol - they were excited about the award since they'd never honored a WWI vet before. And I whispered to his daughter, do they know that we're all Democrats?

[Irish_Dem]

13. Wow what a neat story.

That is such a special ceremony.

Yes some of the immigrants to this country defend it and try to live up to the promise of America.

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14. My maternal grandfather also served. He came to this country from Poland as a young man.

They made him a citizen and sent him to France to serve for his new country - also WWI. I'm sorry that I never met either grandfather, I've heard such nice things about both of them - but they both died young, in the 1940s.

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15. For the immigrants who served, they were granted US citizenship in WWI.

One of my grandparents was also sent to France in WWI.