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[William769]

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[Cooley Hurd]

1. Jeebus...

[mercuryblues]

2. You broke

the 1st rule by talking about it. You see, if you ignore and keep quiet they will go away, or something.

Hope you are enjoying your day otherwise.

[William769]

3. Awareness has such a cleansing effect.

[mimi85]

16. Exactly.

[sufrommich]

49. I'm pretty sure mercuryblues was being sarcastic. nt

[mercuryblues]

50. Yes, yes I was

Sorry for forgetting the sarcasm tag.

[sufrommich]

53. lol,I got my one and only hide for saying something sexist

to Seabeyond once because I forgot the sarcasm tag.

[CreekDog]

60. Sorry. If not for all the MRA's, it wouldn't be needed.

[mercuryblues]

79. all is good

I added a sig line for the next time I forget.

[CreekDog]

57. Thanks you're right. Deleting.

[sufrommich]

59. It happens.

[hlthe2b]

4. Thank you for standing with the HOF members and supporters in this.

I'm quite sorry to see anyone become harassed merely for standing up against unfair attack on one or more members of this group or those who frequent this group--or who post in favor of women's issues throughout DU.

I'll simply say thank you.

[BainsBane]

5. It truly is astounding that some will engage in disruptive behavior

to defend a person who has been so incredibly abusive. I'm sorry William. You are trying to do what is right, to promote the civility and integrity of the site and you do not deserve to be harassed for that.

[MuseRider]

6. So sorry this happened to you.

Thank you for standing up with us.

These kinds of things are part of the reason I am not here much anymore. Many have been chased away over the years by this stuff. I know you well enough to know you are not going anywhere so thanks again.

[cui bono]

7. WTF? That MIRT person should be kicked off of MIRT then.

Seems to me they are aiding and abetting that kind of abuse if this is true.

If the admins would just own up to this shit the drama wouldn't exist. Just shut it down. They have the power to do it, they just don't care enough to.

Thanks for standing up to the abuse!

[BainsBane]

8. and disclosing that MIRT info to someone that person had to know is

out for blood and doesn't exercise any self control-- that is the height of irresponsibility.

[cui bono]

14. Exactly. n/t

[cyberswede]

51. FWIW, I don't think the MIRT member aided and abetted the poster.

I believe, acting in good faith, they sent a PM to the poster suggesting they edit their profile, so the nasty stuff wouldn't be there to cause harm. I also believe the MIRT member told the poster about the thread in MIRT in the interest of honesty/transparency.

In my opinion, the MIRT member never expected the poster would send nastygrams to Bill.

That said, I am disappointed that Bill's identity was disclosed, and utterly disgusted that he received harassing mail.

[hlthe2b]

52. Yet, it was that MIRT member that identified Bill was it not?

Given the history of that particular individual, they surely must have known they would retaliate against Bill. That is the part that is unforgivable to me.

[cyberswede]

55. I don't know, though I don't know who else could/would have done so.

And I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the MIRT member for the time being.
In my view, sending nasty PMs is not only despicable, it's counterproductive and likely to lead to being banned, so it would never enter my mind that a long-timer would send them. Maybe the other MIRT member felt the same way? I can't speak for the assumptions or expectations of others.

At the end of the day, the poster with the nasty profile edit is the instigator here, and I hesitate to condemn anyone else for his/her actions.

[BainsBane]

77. I think if you knew more aobut that person's

position related to members of this group you might see things differently.

[cyberswede]

82. Yes, I'm not familiar with all the players.

I am familiar enough with the poster (with the edited profile) to have them on ignore, though.

[sufrommich]

54. Aren't MIRT members supposed to treat all DUers equally?

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Having a MIRT member tipping one off when they're being discussed in MIRT doesn't seem like equal treatment to me. Either everyone gets a tip off or no one does.

[cyberswede]

56. It was not tipping them off, but rather asking them to edit their profile

Another MIRT member actually suggested that the poster be contacted, and asked if anyone on MIRT knew the poster well enough to contact him/her.

And ~99% of the "subjects" of MIRT discussions are brand new posters.

[sufrommich]

58. How often does MIRT contact DUers to tell them to change

the wording in a post or profile? Is this common?

[uppityperson]

63. MIRT does not do so, but people who are volunteering in MIRT post and send pms like other DUers

For instance, I often check First Posts page, whether on MIRT or not. I reply to them sometimes too, whether or not on MIRT. Most MIRT volunteers try to be more than fair, not use MIRT status unfairly. And while back in the beginning of DU3 some messages were sent as "MIRT member", that stopped quickly as it was not appropriate. Now most MIRT volunteers, as far as I am aware, send messages and post as DUers, leaving MIRT affairs in MIRT.

Which is a long way of saying MIRT does not do that, but DUers volunteering on MIRT may.

[sufrommich]

67. OK,thanks for the explanation.

[cyberswede]

66. I never do; I can't speak for anyone else.

But the whole situation is rare - people don't often edit their profile into attacks against other DUers.

I think Bill acted in good faith by attempting to bring the profile to Admins' attention.
I think the MIRTer who suggested contacting the poster to request an edit acted in good faith.
And I think the MIRTer who did contact the poster also acted in good faith.

The only person who did NOT act in good faith is the poster who edited the profile with the intention of attacking people.

The whole episode is unfortunate, but nobody on MIRT acted with malice, imo.

[William769]

69. Sorry but I disagree with this. There was malice.

When it came to reposting me to the person with the profile. That was indeed done with malice knowing what the outcome would be.

This is what I said earlier in this thread about MIRT and still stand by what I said. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=50408

But to reiterate there was malice involved.

[cyberswede]

74. Thanks Bill...

even though we disagree on this, you're always a good egg, and I love you, man!

[BainsBane]

115. I was told the particular person in question

recently tried to coach someone in how to insult in a passive aggressive manner without getting a hide. That strikes me as the advice of someone who acts quite deliberately.

[LeftishBrit]

129. I agree. I have just posted the same, not as well-expressed as your post

[BainsBane]

78. There is nothing wrong with contacting a person to tell them to cool it

Disclosing William's identity to subject him to harassment from someone clearly out of control is what is unacceptable.

[cui bono]

83. +1 Except one can wonder what the motive of telling them to edit their profile was...

Was it to tell them to knock it off or to warn them that someone had reported it and save them from a ban?

[cyberswede]

87. Well, we all saw it, and it was pasted in MIRT, so...

I don't see how a "warning" would change anything (admins would still see it).

Someone in MIRT suggested contacting the poster to request an edit (which would be a quicker way to remove the offending text), and another MIRT member volunteered to do so.

I honestly believe all parties acted in good faith. I realize Bill disagrees with me, but that's truly my impression.

None of that diminishes the BS that Bill had to put up with as a recipient of the nasty PMs.

[cui bono]

89. It is possible that it could be looked at as they had a change of heart and reformed

if they changed it.

My opinion is they did it so ban them. If they really are that immature and can't control their posting (includes profile description) then they should be shown the door. Especially after they started harassing William##.

I hope they were banned but I don't' really expect it from the admins of this site. They don't seem to care about these things as much as they care about people discussing them.

[BainsBane]

116. The harassing PMs would suggest there was no change of heart.

[William769]

62. Nothing is private in MIRT.

As with most of DU there are grey areas. We can Post anything from MIRT Forum to anywhere else on DU we normally don't because of what can happen but since this happened to me this OP is in response to that. If the PM's had never happened I would have never done something like this.

But this was to egregious to let go especially since I don't feel I did anything wrong in the first place.

I will also addd that that MIRT member also is the one that raised a stink in the Hosts Forum awhile back and because of what that person did and what I had to say about it, I honestely believe this was done purely out of malice and I will leave it at that.

[JTFrog]

92. I would put money on it. n/t

[Sheldon Cooper]

9. Let me get this straight.

Someone with suspended privileges created a sock account to get around their suspension and continued to harass members of this group. The only way you could bring this to the attention of the admins was to create a thread in the MIRT group to alert them. Then, a member of MIRT reached out to that sock puppet to warn them that you had caught them out. Then the sock puppet began harassing you.

Do I have that right? A member of MIRT tipped off the sock puppet? Unbelievable. No actually, it is believable. The more important thing will be to know what happens to both the sock puppet and the MIRT member who warned them. Can you keep us posted on this? Thank you.

[William769]

10. Was not a sock.

They were using thier profile (which they have since deleted for obvious reasons). But you are spot on about the MIRT member Just change sock to profile). ANd yes when someone is on a temporary suspension people will look at thier profile to see the hidden post. And how would someone alert on something like that?

[KitSileya]

33. Are you saying they took a leaf out of the Doctor's handbook?

Well, well, birds of a feather etc.

[William769]

34. I have been able to piece together the whole damn flock!

[KitSileya]

38. Lol I am glad you can laugh about it.

It's either that or cry.

[William769]

39. Sorry if you took it that way.

Not laughing at all just saying I know who's who.

[KitSileya]

43. Oh no, I am glad you laugh at it!

I see that as positive. I myself am getting a bit threadbare with the constant outrageous posts here, and probably should take a break. Your joking is a positive sign that you continue to have the energy to fight the good fight. Laugh at them, there's nothing they hate more.

[sufrommich]

11. Sigh, I wish I could say I'm surprised but I'm not.

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Nor am I surprised that those who roar about HoF alert stalking and gaming the system are masters at alert stalking and gaming the system,it's called projection. Thanks for the heads up William,you're a good egg.

[MerryBlooms]

12. That's really something. :(

I hope you don't get booted off of MIRT for calling it out, but nothing would surprise me these days.

(how much do you want to bet that this OP was alerted on?)

[William769]

13. I wouldn't bet bcause I would lose.

As for being kicked off MIRT? I doubt it, my transgression is nothing compared to the other MIRT member involved. I have served on every MIRT every term that allows a DU member sice DU3's inception and believe I have a stellar reputation for my acts in MIRT.

[JTFrog]

19. WTF?

I bet William does just fine at multi-tasking. Can you maybe clarify what you mean by "why even bother with HOF"? And try to remember that you are posting in HOF now.

[Sheldon Cooper]

20. lol!

[hlthe2b]

22. You do realize you are posting in HOF, do you not?

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If your intent is to be abusive to the group then let it stand and face the consequences; otherwise, I'd suggest you clarify or self-delete pronto.

Co-host, HOF

[DURHAM D]

35. You are being very patient.

[hlthe2b]

44. for the moment...

and not something I'm known for....

[BainsBane]

81. Probably has something about our shared commitment to ending bigotry and discrimination

against all of the subaltern, including LGBT citizens around the world.

[cui bono]

84. Why, women aren't important? Is defending the cooking group a more urgent and pressing matter?

Are they being harassed for daring to make a souffle?

[sheshe2]

106. William stands up for women,

the same way we stand up for LGBT. We are like brothers and sisters.We have each others backs, or at least many of us do.

I will tell you a fact, he has taken my back more than once and I love him dearly for that. Yes, he is one of the good guys.

[freshwest]

117. +1

[sheshe2]

118. He is one of the best here freshwest.

A sweet gentle soul and he damn well knows how to place a punch when needed.

I love Williams support. I know that he is aware of mine.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

148. Indeed, why !?

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What other group on this board besides The LGBT or the AA group has been harassed and targeted, denigrated and maligned, ostracized and insulted, and made fun of?

Why indeed, should anyone speak up for HoF ... ?

Concentrate on whom?

Ignore whom?

Exactly what is it you are trying to say here?

[MerryBlooms]

18. Like sufrommich said, you're a good egg

[DURHAM D]

21. Hi William.

Thanks for your consistent and very strong support.

I think I have it figured out but am not certain. Here is my guess... Someone who got their 5th Hide yesterday then edited their Profile (perhaps repeatedly) to protest and trash HOF. After you posted about it in MIRT one of these MIRT members told said poster so they could clean it up -

etronius
bluesbassman
LeftishBrit
noiretextatique
greatauntoftriplets
Bobbie Jo
one_voice
intheflow
uppityperson
CaliforniaPeggy
awoke_in_2003
Violet_Crumble
Dragonfli
Sissyk
RiffRandell
rug
newcriminal
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
icymist
mtnester
Agschmid
arcane1
cyberswede
discntnt_irny_srcsm
hrmjustin
maddezmom
NRaleighLiberal
octoberlib
Ptah
Rhiannon12866
Terra Alta
Warren DeMontague

Is that right?

[boston bean]

23. and it seems pitched a fit in MIRT.... okie dokie....

[DURHAM D]

26. I see not one but two really good candidates on the list. nt

[boston bean]

27. I see three possibles. nt

[sheshe2]

107. hmmm, I do as well boston bean. eom

[mercuryblues]

94. I see one

previous offender.

[uppityperson]

36. they did not "pitch a fit in MIRT" but protested the thread. We do not all always agree, but

being civil and professional is generally what happens and happened in the the MIRT thread.

[boston bean]

40. okie dokie then....

[uppityperson]

42. The problem, as I see it, is not "pitching a fit" in MIRT, but taking it outside

by pming the name of the person (William) which then resulted in his getting harassing pms.

Changing up a profile to harass after being put on temporary time out is wrong and it was ok to notify admin. Sending harassing pms is wrong and it is ok to notify admin.

But in the MIRT forum, in the thread, there was an objection but not "pitching a fit". And I support William in this. I hope this makes sense.

[hlthe2b]

45. You are sayng the same MIRT member who objected to William's discussing it in MIRT, then

1. contacted the subject of that thread and 2. identified William as the person who had objected in MIRT to their ugly profile edit?

Is that correct--the same MIRT member?

[uppityperson]

46. Yes, as far as I am aware. Edited to qualify.

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[hlthe2b]

47. Seems very reminiscent...

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of a situation in "Hosts Forum" not that long ago... sigh....

Edited to add-- as cyberswede has indicated-- I am not assuming malice as motivation. Sometimes things are done or said with good, if misplaced, intent that backfires... I think we have all experienced that.

[William769]

64. I want to make sure this is clear to everyone

(to me it looks a little muddled right now, maybe be cause of the pain meds I am on), but I want to point out that uppityperson is very supportive of what happened.

[hlthe2b]

68. I recognize that...

[William769]

72. Good I may need to bow out for awhile because of meds.

I really have not spoke of this in public but I will now. I am recovering from having surgery on two disks in my neck and this recovery mat take awhile and if you don't see me like you usually do, this is the reason.

[hlthe2b]

75. Oh my... Take care of yourself, William

I hope the meds are keeping the pain at bay.

[BainsBane]

88. Please look after yourself

We all want you well.

[JTFrog]

93. Omg.

I hope you feel better soon. I've had surgery on disks in my back, but not my neck. I can't even imagine.

[Sheldon Cooper]

71. Supportive in what way?

[William769]

73. She is a good friend.

I think thats all that needs to be said.

[Sheldon Cooper]

76. Got it.

Thanks!

[geek tragedy]

126. Same person apparently. nt

[William769]

28. Yes.

[Kali]

41. I wonder if it was the same person who helped another HoF-hater in the Hosts forum a while back?

hmmmm

[BainsBane]

86. Yes

That's a pretty good bet, in fact you might even call it a lock.

[sheshe2]

110. Nailed it!

Brava, Bains.

I am only just home from work and I have put much of the puzzle in place. Yes, I read all that happened in the hosts forum that night.

[mercuryblues]

127. the

I didn't mean no harm, I am innocent in this, I was used claims, take on a new meaning the 2nd time they do almost the exact same thing.

[JTFrog]

15. Thank you William.

Your support is greatly appreciated. She came after me with a vengeance. I am really sorry that you have to deal that kind of harassment too. I saw that profile message and I don't see how that is not an attempt to circumvent around the time-out. None of that behavior should be acceptable here.

[Sheldon Cooper]

24. Are you talking about the one who called you a slimy ignorant pig, or something like that?

Sheesh.

[JTFrog]

25. I was guessing.

Given recent events.

[kcr]

37. That's who I was thinking of, too.

She changed her profile after she was put on time out ranting and raving about HOF.

[William769]

65. Know that I support all that you all do.

And try to help out as much as I can. I try to do whats right and I will defend aanyone else doing the same thing. I hope my reputation has shown that.

[JTFrog]

91. Your reputation is pretty impeccable. n/t

[wryter2000]

29. I'm sorry this is happening to you.

Hang in there. Maybe something finally will be done.

[sufrommich]

30. I shudder to think about what William is enduring

in the closed MIRT forum right now.

[William769]

31. Not bad actually.

It's a positive thread just giving the facts to what happened except for the one. Working on MIRT is actually very good but as with anything every once in awhile there is a bad apple.

[sufrommich]

32. Glad to hear it,William. nt

[BainsBane]

85. William, your support is invaluable

but you are even more invaluable. Be sure to look after yourself and allow yourself to rest up and recover from your surgery.

[davidpdx]

130. ...

On Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:22 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Not bad actually.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=50408

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Callout of another DUer, William is pretty good at causing drama as there was none until he started this OP. End this now.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:33 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: PPR the person who sent this alert.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is not a call out. The alerter deserves some form of punishment for this garbage alert.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I see no one named in the post alerted or the OP. This is a ridiculous alert. I hope it goes 0-7.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[William769]

139. Thanks David.

[JTFrog]

142. Rather nasty (and pathetic) alert message.

I'm glad all of the jurors saw through that.

[catrose]

61. Thank you, Bill

It's a pleasure and a surprise to run into someone who's trying to make things better. I don't understand proliferation of the other sort.

[grasswire]

70. ok, so who was the MIRT that PMd the person?

Don't we all deserve to know this? Seems pretty serious.

[JI7]

80. fuck them

there is something seriously wrong with these assholes that they have to go and start personally attacking people like this.

and if the person gave your name i'm sure it was intentional and wanted you to be attacked.

[MerryBlooms]

90. The admins need to start listening.

This same sort of stuff went on for years with our LGBT community and the admins denied all that too-- for years. Then magically, one day, one admin came clean and tried to mend fences. I see the same pattern occurring and the same responses from admins about this issue. VERY disheartening.

[kcr]

95. I'm hoping they'll do the same thing, but they seem too invested in DU3 and Discussionist

They seem to see it as this grand experiment in putting faith in the DU community and they're convinced it works. I think it blinds them to what's going on, so I'm not holding my breath. It was different when it was DU2. Something has changed since then.

[DURHAM D]

98. What changed? For one thing they dumbed-down the TOS for DU3.

Here is a thread petitioning the Admin for improving it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1256&pid=5203

After several months with no response from the owners the OP locked the thread. At the bottom is the original thread starter.

[kcr]

99. I know. My post in the ATA is regarding the TOS

They've ignored me. They don't seem interested for whatever reason.

[Gormy Cuss]

100. Ignoring means the question never sees the light of day.

It's as if we haven't asked the question.


I rarely post in HoF but to all of the regulars here I'd like to say that the vilification of this group would be comical if it weren't so dangerous because IMHO it has prejudiced juries to vote against any women who support feminist positions. All it takes is invoking the name of HoF in the alert, it seems.

And to William769, you don't deserve the crap.

[kcr]

101. HoF has some of the nicest posters on DU

The people who troll HoF, however, tend to be some of the nastiest and downright unhinged. But, somehow it's all about how horrible HoF is. And you're right, I think it does prejudiced juries sometimes.

[BainsBane]

102. They object to our speech, our views

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They resent the fact we post about issues concerning rape, gender violence, and misogyny. They are completely invested in white male entitlement and fight diligently to promote it.

The person who started all this began by attacking me when I first joined this site because she didn't like the issues that I cared about. Rather than debating the substance, she made it personal. She has done that ever since and blamed me for slights that happened--if they happened at all--before I even joined DU. I have asked her repeatedly for links to such insults and she refuses. When someone consistently refuses to provide evidence, it draws their allegations into question, particularly when I know she has often falsely accused me personally.

[chervilant]

132. That one is on my IL, for good reason... n/t

[BainsBane]

105. Scapegoating is pernicious

and purposefully so.

[DonCoquixote]

111. for two

the tos has been ignored for a long time. If the no personal attacks rule were still enforced, the discussions would be radically different, but there was also that "disruptionist" site, where skinner, perhaps out of good intent, perhaps out of greed, thought he would harness people who by their nature are sociopaths who simply see anything as a means to their ends, including attacking anyone that tries to extend a hand to them.

[MadrasT]

96. Thanks William.

It is beyond my comprehension that people carry around these grudges for literally years over some words posted on the internet.

And then go to these elaborate lengths to try to get some kind of "revenge" and cause other people distress.

I just do not get it at all.

Sure I have had my moments of snark but damn... this is a whole 'nother level.

I am actually worried about that poster, in a real human "I hope she is OK" sense - I am NOT trying to cast aspersions on her in any way when I say that nor am I being sarcastic, I genuinely mean it - and she has never been anything but nasty to many of us. That is a lot of hate to carry around.

[BainsBane]

97. You know

I have often thought that those who enable her do her no favors for that very reason. That kind of anger is more destructive to herself than anyone.

[TDale313]

103. I'm so sorry you're dealing with this!

That is so messed up. The MIRT member who told this person harassing you that you'd complained needs to be kicked off MIRT and possibly more severe consequences. Not their first time abusing power or aiding those seeking to attack HoF members if I understand correctly. Sorry to hear you're now being targeted for harassment.

[rbrnmw]

104. that is so wrong sorry that happened to you William

[UtahLib]

108. Thank you, William, for bringing light to this issue.

I saw that profile early this morning but had no idea that anything could be done about it.

I agree with Bains about her enablers. They are doing her no favors by defending and justifying her vicious attacks on anyone associated with HoF. Can you even imagine the uproar if an HoF member had posted that vile comment that somehow escaped being hidden. The same people who rushed to defend her would have been screaming for a PPR.

I think you represent all that is good and just about DU. Rest and heal now, you deserve it.

[BainsBane]

109. Not only that

Some have even since continued to insist she was justified since "that group" is so insulting and attacks her and everyone else all the time. That is after her insult to JTFrogg, after the edits her profile, and after her harassment of William.

[UtahLib]

113. Can't say I'm surprised.

After witnessing the abuse heaped on JT, I finally posted a comment to her. I think she handled herself very well considering the fact that some seemed to be making a concerted effort to provoke her.

I, also, saw the post that was hidden today which was nothing more than a continuation of the first hate infested thread and an attempt to escalate the battle. I haven't been here very long but it's disheartening to realize people are so invested in furthering a grudge that they can't seem to control themselves. Seems like nothing more than a sick power trip, to me.

[BainsBane]

114. Face it

There are some people on the planet that find joy in seeing others hurt. It's difficult to imagine, but they do exist.

[sheshe2]

112. Thank you William for all that you do.

You help right the wrongs and it is so appreciated.

Now please, take care of yourself. You need some rest. What you did not need was a nasty PM from an incredibly angry and vicious poster. Nor did you need another betrayal from a member of MIRT. I am sorry you had to deal with that.

[DonCoquixote]

119. Of course

when people admit that certain people are trying to GAME THESYSTEM, you get shouted down, every often by the same folks that are high fiving the MRA dudes, both here, and at that site which we all know about.

[Luminous Animal]

122. Oh Skittles, it's KICK their pathetic asses!

[Skittles]

123. well, kicking is my way of harrassing

[IdaBriggs]

125. ARGH! Jury Results on Hidden Post...

Disclaimer: I was juror #1.

On Sun Sep 7, 2014, 07:15 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

WHO ARE THESE PIECES OF SHIT?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=50503

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling fellow DUers "pieces of shit" and wants her torch and pitch fork. This thread is something else. A group known for being contentious with much of this community now has a MIRT member stirring them up and is willing to use his position to help them.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Sep 7, 2014, 07:29 AM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a Very Long Running DU in-joke where Skittles will "kick the ass" of people who deserve it because they are picking on DU folk. Think of it as a "big DU sibling" who won't let the neighborhood bullies go after you. Leave it, and welcome to the DU community. Also, alerter, if the THREAD offends thee, use the "Trash Thread" feature instead of alert.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The blast of profanity was a general broadcast, not directed at an individual. A directed blast is not allowed. Let it stand.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Uh, yeah.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I know that this is typical Skittles and usually these posts are all in fun, but this has turned into an especially ugly Meta thread and needs to be shut down
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This entire thread is so wrong. Skittles post isn't the worst of them, as the OP should have been hidden by a jury or locked by the hosts of this group as disruptive meta, but it's the only one I've been called to a jury for and I'm voting to hide. If it's hidden Skittles can thank William769 for abusing his position on MIRT to create drama.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I found the language in the alert more offensive than the alerted upon post. Can we alert on an alert?
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Sorry Skittles.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

140. I bet I know who wrote that Alert. n/t

[JTFrog]

143. I'd throw my money in with you.

Funny how they mention MIRT members willing to use their positions.... One thing I have noticed about the recent spat of serial alerting is that the alerts seem more projection than anything else.

[DURHAM D]

147. Yep. Pretty obvious. nt

[Luminous Animal]

121. You are a good egg, William. And take care of yourself.

[littlemissmartypants]

124. Too many WORDS.

I need graphs and flowcharts and throw in an algorithm please.

J/K

I feel very safe and respected here & that's why I love HOF.

Thanks for your post, William. I hope all goes well with your post-op visits.

Love, Peace and the Righteous Fight.
~ Lmsp

[LeftishBrit]

128. I am sorry that this has happened to you

I do not know why people feel a need to harass others by pm. This happened to me in a very nasty way a few years ago at the hands of a (long) former DU-er on a board which I joined briefly, so I know how horrible it is. It should NEVER be done or permitted.

However, as a fellow-member of MIRT: the other MIRT-er's decision to contact that poster and ask them to change their profile was made on the advice of MIRT-ers. It was not a unilateral action. On 20-20 hindsight, it wasn't a good idea; but I am quite sure that it was not done out of malice or 'rogue' spirit.

[TBF]

131. I can't keep them all straight

but I trust you 100%. There have been a few duds on MIRT to be sure - one time I was serving (I can't remember if you were there or it was a time when we didn't overlap) we had a MIRT member who actually took a thread from MIRT and posted it out in GD just to be an ass. It was very hurtful and divisive. I'm really sorry you've got another one acting like that.

[William769]

133. Just a follow-up.

It seems I am the bad guy now for posting my OP in a public space. I stand by what I said and no shaming I mean absolutely no shaming is going to deter me. It has gotten unreal what this has turned into.

[seaglass]

134. You are NOT the bad guy William, sorry you are putting up with so much grief.

I'm sure it is all about the wagons being circled because:

1.) if you hadn't exposed it those who like to blame all the ills of DU on HoF and proclaim the innocence of those on their "side" can no longer do so with any credibility.

and

2.) The deserved repercussion for what was done, the attack from the profile while being on time out and the harassing PMs to you is a PPR. I think pretty much anyone who has read this thread knows who the attacker is and it will be visible to all how it is dealt with.

[William769]

135. I wished I could say more.

[boston bean]

136. I doubt anything will happen.

Seems as though the accusation by a bunch of men that they are controlled by HoF (please don't ask me to provide links, if you haven't seen that you that is because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's not true), that it's possible they go a million miles the other way to prove they aren't.

The 'wussification' some men accuse them of, may be have the desired effect. Now that is not saying anything bad about admin, they do what they feel they gotta do, and I accept that. But believe me they don't listen to HoF. That allegation needs to be called for what it is, a complete falsehood.

So, I suspect, nothing will happen.

[seaglass]

137. I think we had some sort of communication breakdown BB. I was only expressing my opinion

and of course I am not an admin. It is completely laughable that the site admins would take direction from HoF, most of the time they don't take questions in ATA, never mind suggestions from HoF participants.

In any case I wouldn't have asked you for links even if I hadn't seen those accusations myself. I think the admins would see those kind of accusations from whence they came, impotent whiners.

[boston bean]

138. Yeah, no we didn't have a miscommunication...

I understood what you said. I was just taking the opportunity by responding to your post to address the allegations that are made, and try to show how that allegation or belief by some is absolutely ridiculous.

Also, try to point out how the 'guys' try to get guys to stick together.... by shaming, ie, they are controlled by a bunch of women.... and how it may possibly be having the effect or admin wanting to reject that characterization and go a million miles in the other direction....

[BainsBane]

144. That is precisely what those accusations are about

It took me a while to figure it out, but I catch on slowly.

[boston bean]

146. It's a bit hard to verbalize to get the actual point across,

but yes I agree with you, that is what is meant. It is clear to everyone, exactly how much say we have with admin here, which is ZERO. Why would people be saying that then?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

141. I want to know exactly What was said in that profile. -

Does anyone know?
Please, someone PM me with this info.
I hope someone got a screen capture or, at least, a paste and copy.

Thanks!

[Texasgal]

145. I'm really out of the loop

and have no clue what is happening.

Just wanted to say that I support you and I am sorry that you are be harassed. This is what makes DU suck. I hope this gets resolved.

[William769]

149. I am self-deleting this OP because it has served it's purpose and am copypasting it after my comment

I want to say again that I am so sorry that this Group gets constantly attacked for standing for what is right. I also want to say that because of this episode I have lost what I thought were friends (but when one cannot distinguish what has actually happened here and are only worried about their image, they never really were a friend to begin with) I am moving on from this now and if I still have to pay retribution for this then so be it. This was a discussion that had to be had (I have had people try to shame me before and I am sure it will happen again).

With that said I look forward to seeing you all out in the fourms keeping up the good fight (and know I will be standing right there with you).

Best regards to all of you.

Bill

Original OP:

Dear HOF members, I am so feeling your pain right now. Let me tell you a little story.

Someone has been harassing fellow HOF members and was put on a temporary suspension because of 5 hides. So they got creative and found a way to still harass. The way it was done could not be alerted on so I took it upon my self to start a thread in MIRT so I could alert on my post and send it to the ADMINS. A fellow MIRT Member was not pleased I did this and sent a PM to the person involved and now I am receiving harassing PM'S from this person I did alert on those and will see what the our come is.

I have stood with you all for a long time now and helped where I could, but now they are coming after me and trust me when I say that was not a smart thing to do.

As I have stood with you, this now is where I am taking a stand and drawing the line. I am ready.

P.S. To the HOF Hosts if this is to much to post in here please let me know and I will self delete.

P.S.S. If anyone need more information please send me a PM and more can be revealed (I just can't do that in public for obvious reasons).