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Mosby

(19,134 posts)
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 01:06 PM Oct 16

Health related research in a nutshell.




Is it any wonder why people don't listen to the experts? Now apparently alcohol is not safe in any amount, my cardiologist calls it "cardiotoxic". Who TF knows anymore.
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sl8

(16,927 posts)
3. It's an excerpt from this "Funny or Die" skit:
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:15 PM
Oct 16

4:26 min.


To save humanity, a dietitian travels to the past. A lot.

This Is Why Eating Healthy Is Hard (Time Travel Dietitian)

Funny Or Die
2017 Jul 27

[...]

CREDITS:

Director: Elliot Dickerhoof
Producers: Chuck Armstrong, Charlie Stockman, Elliot Dickerhoof
Writers: Chuck Armstrong & Charlie Stockman
Actors: Chuck Armstrong, Charlie Stockman, Kelly Vrooman
Executive Producer: Darren Miller
DP: Cody Jacobs
Gaffer: Jordan Holtane
AC: Giselle Gonzalez
Sound Mixer: Marcos Castro
Costume Designer: Kate Bergh
Hair and Makeup Artist: Jessica Leigh Schwartz
PA: Elyssa Phillips

[...]



Bernardo de La Paz

(59,773 posts)
5. maga tells you it's changed or erased knowledge. Really it is new knowledge built on top of the old knowledge.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 02:57 PM
Oct 16

Plus there is a lot of all-or-nothing fallacy in maga thinking. "Okay, eggs are not bad now. So have three for breakfast" ... oh and by the way two more distributed in the processed food, each day.

Yes, genetics plays a role, but so does epigenetics, which heavily influences how the genes are expressed. Hence one identical twin might have cancer while the other doesn't.

It's not as if what we knew about cholesterol is wrong, it's that we know more. Now we know there are two kinds: HDL and LDL. Wait, we learned there are three! HDL, LDL, VLDL. That doesn't mean that "cholesterol is bad" is wrong. It's that now we know more nuance, like about how it relates to lifestyle and genetics and other food intake (like salt and alcohol).

But, famously, Republicons and maga don't do nuance.

Mosby

(19,134 posts)
6. I think a lot of health advise changed because of new info, like with cholesterol.
Thu Oct 16, 2025, 04:18 PM
Oct 16

But sadly too much of it is due to shitty research. Like with that now infamous Harvard epidemiological study in 2001 that claimed moderate drinkers had lower heart disease, higher HDL levels and lived longer:

"There's good evidence that, in general, moderate drinkers who average one to two drinks a day tend to live longer," says Eric Rimm, professor of epidemiology and nutrition and director of the Program in Cardiovascular Epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. "Whether that is directly linked with alcohol, other lifestyle factors, or some combination is still being explored."


The public and media believed this, even though it was poor research using faulty data and weak experimental design. New studies, including meta analysis have shown that light drinkers do not live longer.

One reason for this is plain old sample error. Light drinkers are a different demo than non-drinkers, who are considerably less affluent than light drinkers, and maintain different diets, level of exercise etc. This can be controlled to an extent with good design, but not always.
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