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Airbus A319 Cockpit View of Two Female Pilots Landing at World's Most Dangerous Airport, Paro Bhutan (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 22 OP
I wonder why... Think. Again. Dec 22 #1
think again NoRethugFriends Dec 22 #2
OH! Now I see,.... Think. Again. Dec 22 #3
Someone? Try 1/3 of the damn country. paleotn Dec 22 #5
How can they do that??? Don't their boobs get in the way? sunflowerseed Dec 22 #29
I know right?!? Think. Again. Dec 22 #39
Only 4-6% of airline pilots are female Renew Deal Dec 22 #4
This! paleotn Dec 22 #6
Making it seem like it's a far-fetched, surprising idea that women can fly planes well... Think. Again. Dec 22 #8
Thanks for letting us know Renew Deal Dec 22 #11
I know! I see a plane landed by 2 pilots. Callie1979 Dec 22 #17
Landing at this airport is pretty crazy Renew Deal Dec 22 #7
That definitely requires finesse. Those beautiful homes hugging the mountain tops may have hlthe2b Dec 22 #10
exactly! peacebuzzard Dec 22 #16
You also need to be certified to use that airport. Not just any airline pilot can go their! n/t Cheezoholic Dec 22 #36
No way this airport has landing with low visibility/instrument requirements necessary. peacebuzzard Dec 22 #9
Ha!!! Absolutely not!! paleotn Dec 22 #13
Thank you! Delphinus Dec 22 #14
I saw the co-pilot doing that and it almost looked like she crossed herself ('kind of doubt she hlthe2b Dec 22 #15
that is not a Catholic sign of the cross but it certainly seemed Like a religious ritual. peacebuzzard Dec 22 #18
I SAID it "kinda looked like she crossed herself" Are we going to get into a religious discussion now? hlthe2b Dec 22 #20
At 1:37 the first officer (co-pilot) did a series of prayer gestures. Bo Zarts Dec 22 #31
probably a sacred temple underneath / nearby miyazaki Dec 22 #34
Nice thread the needle. paleotn Dec 22 #12
Important to know: Only around 50 pilots globally are certified to land here (Times of India) hlthe2b Dec 22 #19
LACK OF RADAR ?? Shouldn't someone be thinking of fixing that sometime soon ? eppur_se_muova Dec 23 #42
Watching the topography/terrain in those videos, I'd wonder how useful radar would be hlthe2b Dec 23 #43
Wonder how many hours you need before the airline will LET you land here? Callie1979 Dec 22 #21
Only 50 pilots in the whole world are certified to land there so it must be a lot! ShazzieB Dec 28 #44
Go ladies. My doc is female. I have no question about women's abilities. Never have. twodogsbarking Dec 22 #22
Two female women actually landed an airplane! What next? Ocelot II Dec 22 #23
I agree, the title makes it seem the amazing part of that landing is that it was done by women. Think. Again. Dec 22 #25
They just did it between coffee services! NewLarry Dec 22 #41
Tenzing-Hillary Airport in Lukla, Nepal is no easy one either tornado34jh Dec 22 #24
Bhutan is on my bucket list big time. Lucky Luciano Dec 22 #26
Dumb question, where are the yokes? Bluetus Dec 22 #27
It's an Airbus. They don't have yokes; there's a side-stick Ocelot II Dec 22 #30
Thanks, I think Bluetus Dec 22 #37
Yikes! Faux pas Dec 22 #28
It don't get any better than that LilElf70 Dec 22 #32
The quick prayer of the copilot Historic NY Dec 22 #33
Great! Now they've gotta get outta there NBachers Dec 22 #35
As the Great Stuart Scott would've said Devilsun Dec 22 #38
Today - flying big jets...soon - getting credit cards without a male cosigner. rubbersole Dec 22 #40

Think. Again.

(19,453 posts)
3. OH! Now I see,....
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 08:08 AM
Dec 22

Because someone thinks it's extraordinary that women could do skilled work.

Of course. Silly me.

Think. Again.

(19,453 posts)
8. Making it seem like it's a far-fetched, surprising idea that women can fly planes well...
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:11 AM
Dec 22

....isn't going to help those numbers.

Callie1979

(341 posts)
17. I know! I see a plane landed by 2 pilots.
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:25 AM
Dec 22

I fly many times a year; I've never looked up & thought "Oh, we've got a WOMAN today!"
I just want them to be SOBER

Renew Deal

(83,165 posts)
7. Landing at this airport is pretty crazy
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:06 AM
Dec 22

You have to fly into the mountains without being able to see the runway.

hlthe2b

(106,988 posts)
10. That definitely requires finesse. Those beautiful homes hugging the mountain tops may have
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:13 AM
Dec 22

wonderful views, but I might think twice about being under the path. It would be so easy for something to go wrong.

Cheezoholic

(2,655 posts)
36. You also need to be certified to use that airport. Not just any airline pilot can go their! n/t
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 12:08 PM
Dec 22

peacebuzzard

(5,300 posts)
9. No way this airport has landing with low visibility/instrument requirements necessary.
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:13 AM
Dec 22

It must be a perfect day in other words.
It's not a good sign to see the copilot praying b4 landing either
P.S. On edit: 2nd video shows a hard-core, hard right b4 the final touchdown. Wow.

paleotn

(19,632 posts)
13. Ha!!! Absolutely not!!
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:17 AM
Dec 22

Love that miniscule room for error just short of the runway. Jebus!!!!

hlthe2b

(106,988 posts)
15. I saw the co-pilot doing that and it almost looked like she crossed herself ('kind of doubt she
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:20 AM
Dec 22

is Catholic, but I'm sure the gesture is similar). But, yes, it certainly seemed like she did a little prayer.

I'm no pilot but it does seem like ground control was giving directions at every single opportunity. Undoubtedly necessary. I wonder what the unfortunate incident history is there.

peacebuzzard

(5,300 posts)
18. that is not a Catholic sign of the cross but it certainly seemed Like a religious ritual.
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:26 AM
Dec 22

I bet they have dedicated pilots for that route.

hlthe2b

(106,988 posts)
20. I SAID it "kinda looked like she crossed herself" Are we going to get into a religious discussion now?
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:29 AM
Dec 22

REALLY? I also said it was highly doubtful she was Catholic. Geez. I was agreeing with YOU.

Bo Zarts

(25,743 posts)
31. At 1:37 the first officer (co-pilot) did a series of prayer gestures.
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 10:42 AM
Dec 22

It looked like the Buddhist "Wah" gesture with the hands.

paleotn

(19,632 posts)
12. Nice thread the needle.
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:16 AM
Dec 22

That was fun! And who says women can't drive.

Notice something different about the A319's controls? No yoke. The funny steering wheel like thing most folks are use to in front of pilot and copilot. Airbus is all sidestick now. A kind of joy stick on the pilot's left side, copilot's right. Throttles in the middle. Boeing is sticking with the old fashioned yoke for now. Significant debate over which is better. Both sides make good points.

hlthe2b

(106,988 posts)
19. Important to know: Only around 50 pilots globally are certified to land here (Times of India)
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:27 AM
Dec 22

Paro International Airport in Bhutan is known for its challenging approach through 18,000-foot mountains. Only around 50 pilots globally are certified to land here due to its small runway and lack of radar assistance.

15,000-foot mountains TOO, I might add!

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/science/why-are-only-50-pilots-certified-to-land-on-this-challenging-airport-know-reasons/articleshow/113694872.cms#:~:text=Paro%20International%20Airport%20in%20Bhutan,and%20lack%20of%20radar%20assistance.

eppur_se_muova

(37,770 posts)
42. LACK OF RADAR ?? Shouldn't someone be thinking of fixing that sometime soon ?
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 07:14 AM
Dec 23

Or does the geography render radar somehow less effective ? I can sort of imagine lots of problems with multiple reflections, but I would think modern radars could handle that ...

hlthe2b

(106,988 posts)
43. Watching the topography/terrain in those videos, I'd wonder how useful radar would be
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 08:39 AM
Dec 23

But, I also notice that ground control literally "walks" the pilots through every moment of their traverse over and around those mountains where, at one point, they don't seem to even be able to visualize the runway.

And, if you read the article the unexpected weather, fog, ice, hail, windshear, microbursts, etc. etc. that can come up so quickly in the area, requiring all landings to occur in the morning and in clear conditions at the start. Not my area of expertise by any means and nor will it be. But I can appreciate what it takes to land there. Yikes!

Ocelot II

(121,671 posts)
23. Two female women actually landed an airplane! What next?
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:53 AM
Dec 22

Are they letting us be pilots now? How extraordinary that a couple of ladies were allowed to do this!

Think. Again.

(19,453 posts)
25. I agree, the title makes it seem the amazing part of that landing is that it was done by women.
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 10:09 AM
Dec 22

Shocking I tell you, shocking!

Who knew women had hand/eye coordination!

tornado34jh

(1,317 posts)
24. Tenzing-Hillary Airport in Lukla, Nepal is no easy one either
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:54 AM
Dec 22

It's a single runway and there is low success rate of a go-around because of the terrain. There is also the Princess Juliana Airport in Saint Maarten in the Caribbean, known for being just above beachgoers heads. There is one in Madiera where there are cliffs and ocean and it is turbulent at times, and that is just to name a few. I think for these kinds of airports, and I'm not a pilot, you have to get special training beyond what you would normally get to be allowed to fly to these places.

Bluetus

(348 posts)
27. Dumb question, where are the yokes?
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 10:17 AM
Dec 22

It looks like they retract into the console, but I'd think the first officer would want the yoke at the ready. Maybe the Captain was using her yoke, just slightly out of view of the camera.

Ocelot II

(121,671 posts)
30. It's an Airbus. They don't have yokes; there's a side-stick
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 10:37 AM
Dec 22

for manual control on each side, right under the side window. The airplane is highly automated and most of the time it's controlled by the autopilot, based on a course loaded into the flight control computer. The direction and altitude can be changed using the dials along the top of the instrument panel (you can see the first officer changing these settings in the video). Most of the time the pilots don't use the side-stick, but a tricky approach like that one would have to be flown manually.

Bluetus

(348 posts)
37. Thanks, I think
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 12:22 PM
Dec 22

I don't know if that makes me feel any safer, making that approach into Paru.

And take-off is no picnic either. They have to circle over the runway to gain enough altitude to get over the mountains.

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