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littlemissmartypants

(28,470 posts)
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 11:17 AM Jun 21

Advanced AI models generate up to 50 times more CO₂ emissions than more common LLMs when answering the same questions

By Ben Turner published 2 days ago

Asking AI reasoning models questions in areas such as algebra or philosophy caused carbon dioxide emissions to spike significantly.

The more accurate we try to make AI models, the bigger their carbon footprint — with some prompts producing up to 50 times more carbon dioxide emissions than others, a new study has revealed.

Reasoning models, such as Anthropic's Claude, OpenAI's o3 and DeepSeek's R1, are specialized large language models (LLMs) that dedicate more time and computing power to produce more accurate responses than their predecessors.

Yet, aside from some impressive results, these models have been shown to face severe limitations in their ability to crack complex problems. Now, a team of researchers has highlighted another constraint on the models' performance — their exorbitant carbon footprint. They published their findings June 19 in the journal Frontiers in Communication.

"The environmental impact of questioning trained LLMs is strongly determined by their reasoning approach, with explicit reasoning processes significantly driving up energy consumption and carbon emissions," study first author Maximilian Dauner, a researcher at Hochschule München University of Applied Sciences in Germany, said in a statement. "We found that reasoning-enabled models produced up to 50 times more CO₂ emissions than concise response models."
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https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/advanced-ai-reasoning-models-o3-r1-generate-up-to-50-times-more-co2-emissions-than-more-common-llms

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Advanced AI models generate up to 50 times more CO₂ emissions than more common LLMs when answering the same questions (Original Post) littlemissmartypants Jun 21 OP
When I read this study the other day, my reaction was OKIsItJustMe Jun 22 #1
There were a number of articles the last couple of years about AI search then using 10 times the energy highplainsdem Jun 23 #2
Here's an interesting article... OKIsItJustMe Jun 23 #3
The AI companies' demands for new power plants, even nuclear reactors, is enough to show this highplainsdem Jun 23 #4
Right! SheltieLover Jun 23 #5

OKIsItJustMe

(21,458 posts)
1. When I read this study the other day, my reaction was
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:29 PM
Jun 22

Where is the comparison to “conventional” search results which employ no AI whatsoever?

highplainsdem

(57,433 posts)
2. There were a number of articles the last couple of years about AI search then using 10 times the energy
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 09:17 AM
Jun 23

of earlier search. July of last year:

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/12/g-s1-9545/ai-brings-soaring-emissions-for-google-and-microsoft-a-major-contributor-to-climate-change

Assuming that was correct, the newer AI models - which also hallucinate more - could be using hundreds of times more electricity than conventional, pre-genAI search.

And the AI companies have made it clear they're desperate for more data centers and power for them. Musk is violating laws powering his Memphis data center. Article published last month:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/naacp-memphis-musk-xai-colossus-rcna208589

OKIsItJustMe

(21,458 posts)
3. Here's an interesting article...
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 07:24 PM
Jun 23
https://www.wired.com/story/ai-carbon-emissions-energy-unknown-mystery-research/
Molly Taft Science Jun 19, 2025 6:00 AM

How Much Energy Does AI Use? The People Who Know Aren’t Saying

A growing body of research attempts to put a number on energy use and AI—even as the companies behind the most popular models keep their carbon emissions a secret.



As a result of this lack of transparency, Luccioni says, the public is being exposed to estimates that make no sense but which are taken as gospel. You may have heard, for instance, that the average ChatGPT request takes 10 times as much energy as the average Google search. Luccioni and her colleagues track down this claim to a public remark that John Hennessy, the chairman of Alphabet, the parent company of Google, made in 2023.

A claim made by a board member from one company (Google) about the product of another company to which he has no relation (OpenAI) is tenuous at best—yet, Luccioni’s analysis finds, this figure has been repeated again and again in press and policy reports. (As I was writing this piece, I got a pitch with this exact statistic.)

“People have taken an off-the-cuff remark and turned it into an actual statistic that’s informing policy and the way people look at these things,” Luccioni says. “The real core issue is that we have no numbers. So even the back-of-the-napkin calculations that people can find, they tend to take them as the gold standard, but that’s not the case.”



Perhaps most crucially for our understanding of AI’s emissions, open source models like the ones Dauner used in his study represent a fraction of the AI models used by consumers today. Training a model and updating deployed models takes a massive amount of energy—figures that many big companies keep secret. It’s unclear, for example, whether the light bulb statistic about ChatGPT from OpenAI’s Altman takes into account all the energy used to train the models powering the chatbot. Without more disclosure, the public is simply missing much of the information needed to start understanding just how much this technology is impacting the planet.

highplainsdem

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4. The AI companies' demands for new power plants, even nuclear reactors, is enough to show this
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 07:37 PM
Jun 23

tech is very bad for the environment.

And I would never trust people like Elon Musk or Sam Altman to give honest answers.

Or anyone in the Trump admin, for that matter.

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