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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(10,589 posts)
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 10:05 AM Dec 29

Sacramento police haven't used armored track vehicle nearly two years since it was purchased for $430,000



The Police Department purchased the vehicle, called the Rook, using $430,000 from a federal grant. The Sacramento City Council approved the purchase in late January 2023 after a lengthy and heated debate in which critics, including one council member, said this was “further militarizing” local law enforcement.

The Rook’s armored-plating is designed to protect officers facing the threat of gunfire; the vehicle is not meant for “any of the traditional senses of military use,” Police Chief Kathy Lester said at that City Council meeting. The Rook, Lester said, allows officers the mobility to gain safe positions of advantage and provides opportunities for them to resolve dangerous situations using de-escalation techniques and potentially less force “when dealing with really violent people.”

In June 2019, Sacramento police Officer Tara O’Sullivan was killed in an ambush while trying to help a woman retrieve her belongings from a home where Adel Sambrano Ramos had been behaving erratically. O’Sullivan was mortally wounded by gunfire and lay on the ground nearly an hour before tactical officers were able to secure her rescue. After an hourslong standoff, the armed gunman, later identified as Ramos, surrendered.

In early December, police officials confirmed the armored vehicle purchased 23 months ago has not been used. They said the vehicle was at the city Fleet Services department being outfitted. It’s unclear how the vehicle is being outfitted and whether the service it’s undergoing was the reason the Rook hasn’t been used. Police officials said they would be able to answer these questions after the armored track vehicle is returned to them.

Read more at: https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article297187329.html#storylink=cpy

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Sacramento police haven't used armored track vehicle nearly two years since it was purchased for $430,000 (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 29 OP
I am amazed that officers left a wounded fellow officer lying on the ground for an hour. displacedvermoter Dec 29 #1
It's not easy to run to gunfire, even more difficult to run into a hail of bullets bottomofthehill Dec 29 #5
The problem is any idiot can legally own weapons DBoon Dec 29 #10
Yes, but the guns are out there bottomofthehill Dec 29 #12
Think of the lives that could be saved in Uvalde by quick police action instead Wonder Why Dec 30 #18
That would have helped too bottomofthehill Dec 30 #19
That's why you train. In situations like Uvalde where the perp just wanted to kill, armored vehicles Wonder Why Wednesday #23
This message was self-deleted by its author doc03 Dec 29 #2
Rook - Armored Critical Incident Vehicle Goonch Dec 29 #3
so basically it's... a modified Caterpillar Skid steer loader BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 29 #4
Get a load of this thing. boonecreek Dec 29 #6
Ukraine could use a few of those BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 29 #13
Yes they could. boonecreek Dec 29 #15
Looks kinda goofy crud Dec 29 #7
which they do. and do major damages to houses in search for suspects. BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 29 #14
Madera County "Rescue" with armor plating and gun ports. Police like them big toys. usonian Dec 29 #8
yes, here they are TODAY using a citizen's vehicle for cover. BlueWaveNeverEnd Wednesday #21
That's why some stores let shoplifters slide. usonian Wednesday #22
No end to police funding. Next on are guided missiles. multigraincracker Dec 29 #9
Maybe state and local governments need to quit acting like federal money is "free" MichMan Dec 29 #11
sound like a corrupt cover up to me. ZonkerHarris Dec 29 #16
It is not just the initial cost Old Crank Dec 30 #17
Send it to Ukraine NT Nululu Dec 30 #20

displacedvermoter

(3,333 posts)
1. I am amazed that officers left a wounded fellow officer lying on the ground for an hour.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 10:17 AM
Dec 29

I cannot believe the lack of a tank prevented the rescue of a fellow officer. The more we spend on equipping and training of these paramilitary, the less actual protection our citizens receive, and apparently their own colleagues are also more at risk.

bottomofthehill

(8,929 posts)
5. It's not easy to run to gunfire, even more difficult to run into a hail of bullets
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 10:44 AM
Dec 29

This vehicle could have saved her life. It puts a barricade between the wounded and the shooter so medical assistance can get to the victim and begin. It could be helpful in any active shooter situation. School shooting, concert shooting, grocery store shooting , any domestic situation, church or synagogue shooting, college or university shooting, movie theater shooting, we have seen them all. Think of the lives that could have been saved in Uvalde if they had one of these. Expensive, hell yes, necessary, not until you need one.

DBoon

(23,207 posts)
10. The problem is any idiot can legally own weapons
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 12:13 PM
Dec 29

that create a hail of bullets so intense the police cannot manage it.

Too many people who want their "man card" validated

Wonder Why

(4,788 posts)
18. Think of the lives that could be saved in Uvalde by quick police action instead
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:09 AM
Dec 30

of waiting for one of these to show up.

"21 died but we saved one when this baby showed up 30 minutes later."

bottomofthehill

(8,929 posts)
19. That would have helped too
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 11:44 AM
Dec 30

Anything armored. It’s easy to think of what you would do until you are confronted with the situation in reality. You can drill, you can train, but until the actual gunfire starts, you don’t know how you will react.

Wonder Why

(4,788 posts)
23. That's why you train. In situations like Uvalde where the perp just wanted to kill, armored vehicles
Wed Jan 1, 2025, 10:59 AM
Wednesday

are useless. Quick action to stop the perp is critical.

Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)

boonecreek

(310 posts)
15. Yes they could.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 08:01 PM
Dec 29

I believe that's actually an MRAP. Here's one that
was sent to the San Diego public school police!
What the hell are those kids bringing to school, bazookas?

crud

(854 posts)
7. Looks kinda goofy
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 11:10 AM
Dec 29

I suppose if you have to knock down somebody's patio cover, or break up a concrete driveway.

usonian

(14,923 posts)
22. That's why some stores let shoplifters slide.
Wed Jan 1, 2025, 02:41 AM
Wednesday

Don't want to risk lives for merchandise.

I think that the SF Westlake Mall closed shop. Haven't been there in ages. Looked real familiar.

MichMan

(13,664 posts)
11. Maybe state and local governments need to quit acting like federal money is "free"
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 01:00 PM
Dec 29

If they had to spend their own local tax money on something like this, they likely would have passed.

Old Crank

(5,046 posts)
17. It is not just the initial cost
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:57 AM
Dec 30

You need to have special training for all these fancy macho tanks. Training hours and materials aren't free. Probably need 3 fully trained crews. Then special badges to wear.

Put the money into proper community policing, and de-escalation training.

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