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BumRushDaShow

(167,531 posts)
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 01:01 PM 19 hrs ago

Europeans push back at US over claim they face 'civilizational erasure'

Source: AP

Updated 6:09 AM EST, February 15, 2026


MUNICH (AP) — A top European Union official on Sunday rejected the notion that Europe faces “civilizational erasure,” pushing back at criticism of the continent by the Trump administration.

EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas addressed the Munich Security Conference a day after U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio offered a somewhat reassuring message to European allies. He struck a less aggressive tone than Vice President JD Vance did in lecturing them at the same gathering last year but maintained a firm tone on Washington’s intent to reshape the trans-Atlantic alliance and push its policy priorities.

Kallas alluded to criticism in the U.S. national security strategy released in December, which asserted that economic stagnation in Europe “is eclipsed by the real and more stark prospect of civilizational erasure.” It suggested that Europe is being enfeebled by its immigration policies, declining birth rates, “censorship of free speech and suppression of political opposition” and a “loss of national identities and self-confidence.”

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/munich-conference-europe-trump-rubio-kallas-0efc0b3d464f118e3e5d6748113c9271

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Europeans push back at US over claim they face 'civilizational erasure' (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 19 hrs ago OP
For JD Vance to lecture anybody about anything is crazy. He is not worthy. ☮ walkingman 19 hrs ago #1
"civilizational erasure" is code for "becoming less white" JoseBalow 19 hrs ago #2
No one in the world looks at the Trump regime and says "that's what I call civilization" muriel_volestrangler 17 hrs ago #5
*This* ananda 17 hrs ago #6
Yep, barely even a dog whistle PatSeg 16 hrs ago #8
It's bern more like a Fog Horn! And Thundercracks! electric_blue68 13 hrs ago #9
Oh definitely "foghorn" PatSeg 13 hrs ago #10
Rubio's racism was somewhat coded. That doesn't translate into less aggressive as racism is never Solly Mack 18 hrs ago #3
What they mean is Quanto Magnus 17 hrs ago #4
"DON'T DRAG US INTO YOUR WHITE NATIONALIST BULLSHIT" BaronChocula 17 hrs ago #7
Western civilization is not being 'cancelled'. It is broadening and merging with other cultures. eppur_se_muova 6 hrs ago #11
Since your mention as an analogy was the Mississippi River BumRushDaShow 9 min ago #12

muriel_volestrangler

(105,882 posts)
5. No one in the world looks at the Trump regime and says "that's what I call civilization"
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 02:48 PM
17 hrs ago

It's literally true that Trump doesn't know what the word means. To him, it means "people who look like me" (and he is obsessed with looks - that "central casting" crap, that no one else has said for half a century). Civilization is a government and law enforcement that is subject to the rule of law, advances in science like vaccines or ways of combatting climate change, that kind of thing.

ananda

(34,626 posts)
6. *This*
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 02:59 PM
17 hrs ago

Exactly.

Everything Trump and co stand for is making
everyone and everything all white all the time.

PatSeg

(52,687 posts)
8. Yep, barely even a dog whistle
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 04:39 PM
16 hrs ago

The whole world knows what a hardcore racist Trump is.

PatSeg

(52,687 posts)
10. Oh definitely "foghorn"
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 07:07 PM
13 hrs ago

They used to pretend they weren't racist, but now they don't even bother. At least they're being more upfront and honest about who they are. I suppose that's evolution in a perverse way.

Solly Mack

(96,718 posts)
3. Rubio's racism was somewhat coded. That doesn't translate into less aggressive as racism is never
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 02:16 PM
18 hrs ago

not aggressive.

Quanto Magnus

(1,319 posts)
4. What they mean is
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 02:46 PM
17 hrs ago

they can't be racist anymore... or at least not without consequences (most of the time).

eppur_se_muova

(41,444 posts)
11. Western civilization is not being 'cancelled'. It is broadening and merging with other cultures.
Mon Feb 16, 2026, 02:42 AM
6 hrs ago

When one of the headwaters of a huge river, such as the Mississippi, is declared to be the "source" of the river, you may wonder why, when there are multiple large streams merging at various points along the way, each a major river in its own right. The Arkansas, Tennessee, Ohio, and Missouri Rivers all merge into the Mississippi -- so why is the "source" declared to be a spring which flows down into the Missouri ? Is it geographic distance ? Altitude ? Volume of flow ? Whatever the answer, there's bound to be a certain arbitrariness to the definition of 'source'.

So it is with "mainstream" civilization. Our own historical sources takes us back to Rome, and to Greece before that. The Greeks got their alphabet from the Phoenicians (after older scripts had fallen out of use) and some of our notions of law and civic order came from older Mesopotamian cultures. But along the way we incorporated lots of those things from other cultures -- numerals and, especially profoundly, place notation from India via the Arabs. Paper -- and paper money -- from China, as well as gunpowder, which led to guns, and profoundly shaped the course of Western culture. Rockets as pyrotechnics also came from China, but became real weapons in the hands of an Indian prince and his artisans (metal-bodied rockets, scarcely distinguishable from the "Congreve" rocket, which got the credit). Almost every aspect of knowledge which the Greeks preserved in their surviving writings were continued by the Arabs while the Dark Ages gripped Europe -- especially mathematics and medicine (Europeans continued citing Arab doctors for centuries). Maybe what describes the "mainstream" of civilization is not the place, language, or culture of origin, but the fact that it is OPEN to any rational input, and judges by practical results. RWNJs, especially those of a religious bent (or religiously "bent" ), like to refer loudly and frequently to "Judaeo-Christian" civilization/tradition/culture, (which became "Judaeo-Christian" in their rhetoric only to fend off charges of anti-Jewish bigotry) but it took a lot more than Judaism or Christianity to produce a highly technological, science-informed civilization -- indeed, religion has more often served as a dead weight on the back of progress. Maybe we should call it Western™ civilization since it's now more of a brand than a descriptive term, and is an inarguably profound influence on every culture today (whether they embrace it or not, they must react to it, and it shapes the world even against their wishes) while still being influenced by those it influences. Maybe someday we will just call it "global" culture, but for now I think many people would find that objectionable, thinking it diminishes their own culture(s), rather than (actually) inviting it into the mix. The one rule for joining this "club" is that you must allow your beliefs to be challenged, which is the antithesis of most RWNJ behavior. So while they are trying to run out in front and wave a baton, they are not the ones leading the parade. It makes them feel good to believe it, though.

Maybe someday we'll make enough progress it will just be known as "The Culture".

BumRushDaShow

(167,531 posts)
12. Since your mention as an analogy was the Mississippi River
Mon Feb 16, 2026, 08:33 AM
9 min ago

my biggest bugout was that "culturally", it was always associated with "the south" (probably because there is a state named for it too), yet there it was right there in Minnesota, (generally) dividing Minneapolis from St. Paul!





And on my couple trips to Minneapolis, I always made note of that (had earlier seen the Mississippi when I was in Memphis).

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