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MayReasonRule

(3,560 posts)
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 05:05 PM Tuesday

Johnson breaks with Trump, calls for DOJ to release Epstein files

Source: POLITICO

Speaker Mike Johnson is calling for the Department of Justice to release all of its information on Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced financier who died in jail after being charged with sex trafficking, and wants Attorney General Pam Bondi to explain previous statements on the matter.

The Trump administration this month declined to release additional information regarding Epstein's death, with the Justice Department and FBI concluding there's no evidence that Epstein had a list of clients or was murdered in his jail cell. Republicans blocked a House vote on Tuesday afternoon that Democrats tried to cast as a referendum to force the White House to release the files.

In an interview published shortly after the vote, Johnson told conservative commentator Benny Johnson that he is "for transparency."

"It's a very delicate subject, but you should put everything out there, let the people decide it," the Louisiana Republican said.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/07/15/congress/johnson-on-epstein-00454791





But Wait There's More...!...!...!

Trump says Bondi should release 'whatever she thinks is credible' on Epstein
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Johnson breaks with Trump, calls for DOJ to release Epstein files (Original Post) MayReasonRule Tuesday OP
I suspect the files have been altered or are missing key identifying information. Buddyzbuddy Tuesday #1
You read my mind. ananda Tuesday #8
Exactly. Buddyzbuddy Tuesday #14
I suspect they have been shredded into tiny little pieces of paper. LisaL Tuesday #21
absolutely WhiteTara Wednesday #26
Nailed it. Ten. twodogsbarking Wednesday #29
There is no trusting these assholes like Johnson. mdbl Wednesday #34
I'm not sure it will quiet things down. Bozvotros Wednesday #38
If Trump is somehow no longer president Tesha Tuesday #2
I'm amongst the tin foil hat people thinking the rich overlords are saying time to give orange anus the boot oregonjen Tuesday #3
That's my thinking Javaman Tuesday #5
If they gave Trump the boot now RazorbackExpat Wednesday #32
Not really. Only if ALL the vacancies above the person happen at the same time RockRaven Tuesday #4
Johnson would not automatically become VP RussBLib Tuesday #6
No. He stays 3rd in line and there will be a new VP. johnnyfins Tuesday #7
Nope. What happens per the 25th Amendment is that Vance nominates a new Vice President Ocelot II Tuesday #9
Not quite. colorado_ufo Tuesday #19
Yeah, but only for a very short time until Vance nominates a VP karynnj Wednesday #31
This is horseshit. Micro Johnson does only johnnyfins Tuesday #10
The orange felon is now saying Beachnutt Tuesday #11
One word: Staged lamp_shade Tuesday #12
I don't want to see the videos.vid4 speak easy Tuesday #13
Kabuki Theatre VeryProgressive Tuesday #15
BINGO! ECL213 Wednesday #35
SNORT, SUCKER! Xoan Tuesday #16
EVERYBODY: Good job! Keep up the pressure!!! (nt) Paladin Tuesday #17
what crap -- that little puss isn't breaking with trump & he doesn't give a crap about children being molested/raped nt orleans Tuesday #18
As fast as the felon is slipping into the puddle of his own sickness, the 25th lever might be pulled sooner than later Attilatheblond Tuesday #20
Mike Johnson is not to be trusted... ultralite001 Tuesday #22
"OOPS! PAGE UNAVAILABLE" Jack Valentino Tuesday #23
Thank You... I Don't Know What Happened... MayReasonRule Wednesday #28
Has the worm turned? hay rick Tuesday #24
Exactly. nt Blasphemer Tuesday #25
This is definitely a play kkmarie Wednesday #27
How brave and so VERY Christian of him Katcat Wednesday #30
Posturing for his base only . Mikey lies. republianmushroom Wednesday #33
More BULLSHIT - Nigrum Cattus Wednesday #36
Johnson will cave. tclambert Wednesday #37

Buddyzbuddy

(1,197 posts)
1. I suspect the files have been altered or are missing key identifying information.
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 05:17 PM
Tuesday

It's the"smart" thing to do. It takes some of the suspicion off, it quiets the noise down a bit and it's enough for people that want to believe in the Felon's innocence.

No way does Johnson make this call on his own.

Bozvotros

(928 posts)
38. I'm not sure it will quiet things down.
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 09:20 PM
Wednesday

I have no doubt Trump and Johnson collaborated on this. But after all the lies, misdirection and outright fraud Trump and his thralls have committed in this cover up, this might backfire too. The fury and flop sweat on Trump tells me he is getting desperate and terrified. Every day he is blurting out crazy theories and pathetic distractions that hold no water. Wouldn't it be great if he had a Tell Tale Heart confession on Live TV?
This will be interesting. Trump would ordinarily have no trouble throwing Johnson under the bus (or the steamroller), but he needs Jesus Junkie Johnson for the evangelicals who are getting nervous and quiet. It is hard to find Biblical passages telling people to vote for and support an unrepentant pedophile. Trump today labeled those asking for more information as losers and traitors to MAGA and told them to "get out" of his cult because he "doesn't need them." If he grants an exception to Mike Johnson, he looks like TACO Trump again and he hated that. If he demands Johnson be replaced as speaker he could totally fracture his crazed party. Even if Trump finally tells Blondi to release some heavily redacted and abbreviated bullshit that totally exonerates him, I doubt all his base will fall in line. We'll have to see how that falls out.

Tesha

(21,044 posts)
2. If Trump is somehow no longer president
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 05:20 PM
Tuesday

DJ moves up and so does this guy as the 3rd in line.

Right?

oregonjen

(3,565 posts)
3. I'm amongst the tin foil hat people thinking the rich overlords are saying time to give orange anus the boot
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 05:24 PM
Tuesday

Javaman

(64,259 posts)
5. That's my thinking
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 05:29 PM
Tuesday

The right wing ultra wealthy christian nationalists have determined that the orange asshole has outlived his usefulness.

Couchfucker is made prez and smirking closet S&M porn watcher with his son is made vp

RazorbackExpat

(513 posts)
32. If they gave Trump the boot now
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 11:22 AM
Wednesday

that would mean that Vance would serve out more that 2 full years of Trump's term and would therefore only be eligible to be elected president only once on his own.

RockRaven

(17,625 posts)
4. Not really. Only if ALL the vacancies above the person happen at the same time
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 05:28 PM
Tuesday

does anyone move into POTUS seat. Otherwise nobody else moves anywhere.

If the VP becomes POTUS, there is a method for filling the VP vacancy.

It isn't a matter of everyone taking a step forward in a queue.

RussBLib

(9,958 posts)
6. Johnson would not automatically become VP
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 05:36 PM
Tuesday

Vance would move into the presidency, and would choose his own VP. Johnson stays as House Speaker, unless Vance choose Johnson for VP. That is unlikely.

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

Ocelot II

(126,085 posts)
9. Nope. What happens per the 25th Amendment is that Vance nominates a new Vice President
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 05:42 PM
Tuesday

who has to be approved by a majority of both houses of Congress. Johnson keeps his spot in the succession but he doesn't move up - unless, before a new Vice President can be approved, newly-promoted President Vance were to be swallowed up by a sofa bed while he was having carnal knowledge of it.

colorado_ufo

(6,094 posts)
19. Not quite.
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 09:21 PM
Tuesday

Johnson is already second in line; Vance is first in line. He would become first in line if Vance selected him for the VP position.

I am pretty sure that's how this works!

karynnj

(60,414 posts)
31. Yeah, but only for a very short time until Vance nominates a VP
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 11:04 AM
Wednesday

Although I think both the Senate and Johnson's House need to approve. I don't see this happening even if as completely unlikely as it is the files prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump is a pedophile. After all, if that exists it likely existed in the Biden years. Why wouldn't they have added that to the huge number of cases against him?

My guess is that even if he is included, there was not enough proof to prosecute.

Beachnutt

(8,806 posts)
11. The orange felon is now saying
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 06:01 PM
Tuesday

If his name is in the files Obama added his name 3 years before Epstein was arrested.
So I guess thats going to be their story.

VeryProgressive

(65 posts)
15. Kabuki Theatre
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 06:21 PM
Tuesday

This is nothing but Kabuki theatre. He knows that isn't going to happen in this congress and is playing it up to the base by acting like he wants that information out there, but it's all for show.

ECL213

(390 posts)
35. BINGO!
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 07:32 PM
Wednesday

I came to say the same thing. I guarantee he'll be using it in the next election. "I stood up to the administration on the Epstein files, so all of you MAGAts should vote for me again."

There is just something about this guy's face that is supremely creepy and punchable, as if you wouldn't be surprised to hear he had a jar of teeth, or a lampshade made out of human skin.

orleans

(36,267 posts)
18. what crap -- that little puss isn't breaking with trump & he doesn't give a crap about children being molested/raped nt
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 09:20 PM
Tuesday

Attilatheblond

(6,711 posts)
20. As fast as the felon is slipping into the puddle of his own sickness, the 25th lever might be pulled sooner than later
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 09:33 PM
Tuesday

Vance had a very bad, horrible day at Disneyland and his kids were witness. I doubt he will wait much longer to pull the plug on Trump. Vance will have to step into the big office so he can force people to be nicer to him in front of his kids.

Jack Valentino

(2,838 posts)
23. "OOPS! PAGE UNAVAILABLE"
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 10:08 PM
Tuesday

"This page either does not exist or is currently unavailable."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-bondi-release-thinks-credible-epstein/story?id123774989
Trump says Bondi should release 'whatever she thinks is credible' on Epstein



hay rick

(8,895 posts)
24. Has the worm turned?
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 11:37 PM
Tuesday

Trump delivered the BBB and now he's just a liability with his ego-stroking tariffs, grifts, and unhinged rants.

kkmarie

(271 posts)
27. This is definitely a play
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 07:45 AM
Wednesday

Holy mike says release, they've had all the time now to disappear the files. They release some but only shows Krasnov was only a friend of Epstein and what they release shows no evidence Krasnov is a pedophile. Krasnov is really pushing this Obama, Comey, Biden made it all up. I think this will be the story. The files are released and Krasnov says it was made up by the dems. And it goes away, kinda, because it never happened because there's no proof and whatever proof there is was made up.

Ghislain maxwell is in prison and she has receipts and there are the victims. Will they speak out, again? And can't forget spacenazi knows details too!
Jane Doe vs Epstein and trump. It's sickening
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3130729-DOE-V-TRUMP/

Or is this the Heritage Foundation’s move to remove Krasnov? is a deal being made? vance moves into president and he nominates holy mike for vp?

Sorry for rambling so many thoughts running around in my head.

Katcat

(475 posts)
30. How brave and so VERY Christian of him
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 10:55 AM
Wednesday

To say he’s not for something that he didn’t stop when he could have.

republianmushroom

(20,698 posts)
33. Posturing for his base only . Mikey lies.
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 11:44 AM
Wednesday

House GOP blocks Dem maneuver to force release of Epstein files

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220485586

House Republicans on Tuesday voted down another Democratic procedural maneuver aimed at forcing the Justice Department to release documents related to Jeffrey Epstein.

Why it matters: It's the second time this week Democrats have forced their GOP colleagues to choose between loyalty to President Trump and a MAGA base that is furious at his administration over its handling of the Epstein files.

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/15/trump-epstein-khanna-doj-democrats-republicans

Nigrum Cattus

(738 posts)
36. More BULLSHIT -
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 08:24 PM
Wednesday

Look back and remember -
the Big shit bill isn't gunna pass because x repugs are against it - nope
the senate version won't get thru the house because of x repugs - nope
it's all pre-planned propaganda

tclambert

(11,162 posts)
37. Johnson will cave.
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 08:38 PM
Wednesday

He will say, "Yes, Master. Whatever you say, Master." to anything Trump wants.

Trump wants us to believe he went to all those parties with Epstein . . . for the food.

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