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BumRushDaShow

(153,873 posts)
Sun May 18, 2025, 06:13 AM May 18

Oklahoma high schools to teach 2020 election conspiracy theories as fact

Source: The Guardian

Sat 17 May 2025 18.18 EDT


As part of the latest Republican push in red states to promote ideologies sympathetic to Donald Trump, Oklahoma’s new social studies curriculum will ask high school students to identify “discrepancies” in the 2020 election results.

The previous standard for studying the 2020 election merely said: “Examine issues related to the election of 2020 and its outcome.” The new version is more expansive: “Identify discrepancies in 2020 elections results by looking at graphs and other information, including the sudden halting of ballot-counting in select cities in key battleground states, the security risks of mail-in balloting, sudden batch dumps, an unforeseen record number of voters, and the unprecedented contradiction of ‘bellwether county’ trends.”

The revised curriculum standard comes at the behest of Ryan Walters, the state school superintendent, who has publicly voiced his support for Trump. In October, Walters lauded Trump in an interview, saying that “Trump’s won the argument on education”. Walters, who has also advocated for ending “wokeness” in public schools, went on to say: “We have education bureaucrats that are left-wing, elitist, that think they know best for families, and they have become so radicalized that our families are going: ‘What is going on here?’”

Oklahoma’s new social studies standards for K-12 public school students, already infused with references to the Bible and national pride, were revised at Walters’ direction. The Republican official has spent much of his first term in office not only lauding Trump but also feuding with teachers’ unions and local school superintendents.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/17/oklahoma-high-schools-election-conspiracy-theories

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Oklahoma high schools to teach 2020 election conspiracy theories as fact (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 18 OP
Time to boycott everything Oklahoma. Shouldn't be too hard. OrlandoDem2 May 18 #1
With you on that. I think every Democratic Party -- and D Party supporting organization, group and affiliate should KPN May 18 #20
I agree 100% BigDemVoter May 18 #36
WTH??? TomJulie May 19 #45
"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." -- Orwell . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 18 #2
Surprised he is not advocating that the earth is flat, joshdawg May 18 #3
There is stupid and then there is Oklahoma stupid which takes it to another level of unAmerican idiocy. Botany May 18 #4
I call them blatant lies, gab13by13 May 18 #5
They'll also teach the earth is flat, the moon is made of green cheese, and man lived at the same time as the dinosaurs. surfered May 18 #6
There are already WAY too many... GiqueCee May 18 #8
It will affect them surfered May 18 #10
Hmm...Don't RW dumbshits call that kind of teaching "indoctrination"?? And taught by "guberment schools"? Bengus81 May 18 #15
As a life-long okie... MoseShrute May 18 #7
And... BumRushDaShow May 18 #9
Also the State that aviator Wiley Post was from. He had some skeletons in the closet Bengus81 May 18 #16
Thanks for making Texas look enlightened by comparison, Oklahoma. Paladin May 18 #11
A fascist education! paleotn May 18 #12
Trump is the Fuhrer of OK. bronxiteforever May 18 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Bengus81 May 18 #14
Hopefully there are parents who will remove their kids during that indoctrination samnsara May 18 #17
As soon as they produce text, that is clearly wrong and they're teaching them the wrong things oldmanlynn May 18 #18
Oh boy, that's a doozy! The transformation is apparently complete. We are now officially and unquestionably KPN May 18 #19
When are they going to teach that wind turbines cause cancer? appleannie1 May 18 #21
Jesus what an asshole. mdbl May 18 #22
Right? It seems you'd have to have PROVEN the "fact" before you could teach it as fact. Beartracks May 18 #31
I used to give extra credit points if a student found an error in their history book. cbabe May 18 #23
That is seriously dangerous to the future of democracy. I suspect this is one reason for dissolving the Education Martin68 May 18 #24
Also to break the powerful teachers union. cbabe May 18 #27
This country is truly going insane bif May 18 #25
Wondering how tribes are reacting? Echoes of boarding schools lies and cbabe May 18 #26
Will this os so sanctimonius Chriistian azureblue May 18 #28
So that's Walters' plan for a state that ranks in the bottom 10 in education? "Let's teach bullshit!" Beartracks May 18 #29
So that's Walters' plan for a state that ranks in the bottom 10 in education? "Let's teach bullshit!" Beartracks May 18 #30
WTF! Oklahoma is WAY toward the bottom of the barrel..and they want to make it worse?? chouchou May 18 #32
You know, Morons. twodogsbarking May 18 #33
Many Oklahomans who are smart and talented dedl67 May 18 #34
Relocating? FishBones51 May 19 #43
Some Southern schools teach about the War of Northern Aggression Bmoboy May 18 #35
To tell you the truth. Jacson6 May 18 #37
And WHERE does OK sit in HS education scores in the country? Pas-de-Calais May 18 #38
Some states are already too far gone, and I pity anyone who lives in them who isn't a Republican. Karasu May 18 #39
More lawsuits! BidenRocks May 18 #40
Of course they do DENVERPOPS May 18 #41
And we wonder why Americans are so dumb and ignorant. mwb970 May 19 #42
OOOOOOOOK...Lahoma where the wind comes rushin' down the plain. LudwigPastorius May 19 #44
Ryan Walters is pathetic. I'm surprised trump hasn't hired him. IcyPeas May 19 #46
I hope the ACLU Dyedinthewoolliberal May 19 #47

KPN

(16,659 posts)
20. With you on that. I think every Democratic Party -- and D Party supporting organization, group and affiliate should
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:25 PM
May 18

make this a visible, loud, non-stop and aggressive campaign: BOYCOTT OKLAHOMA!!!

NOW!

BigDemVoter

(4,633 posts)
36. I agree 100%
Sun May 18, 2025, 03:43 PM
May 18

I wouldn't even drive through the state to get somewhere, because I refuse spend even a penny on gas or on anything else in that state.

TomJulie

(128 posts)
45. WTH???
Mon May 19, 2025, 05:58 PM
May 19
Oklahoma high schools to teach 2020 election conspiracy theories as fact

This has got to be a joke.

Bernardo de La Paz

(56,217 posts)
2. "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." -- Orwell . . . nt
Sun May 18, 2025, 06:49 AM
May 18

joshdawg

(2,807 posts)
3. Surprised he is not advocating that the earth is flat,
Sun May 18, 2025, 06:50 AM
May 18

the moon landing was staged, and trump is sane.
What an idiot!

Botany

(74,332 posts)
4. There is stupid and then there is Oklahoma stupid which takes it to another level of unAmerican idiocy.
Sun May 18, 2025, 06:58 AM
May 18

Are historical facts inconvenient to your Christo Fascist agenda? Then just rewrite history.*
Saudi Arabia funds this kind of education in Pakistan and Afghanistan with their madrassas
that are used “to teach” young men to grow up and be God Warriors for the Taliban. In America
they call this a Christian Education where science, facts, history, and critical thinking are not
part of the curriculum but are called “Being Woke” or “DEI” or just “CRT” or just not spoken about.

* America was built on racism, sexism, slavery, genocide, and Christian extremism which for
years were kept out of public education as separation of church and state but that America
that “Shining City on the Hill” is being burned to the ground by the GOP, Musk, Trump, Oligarchs,
Christo Fascists, right wing media and web sites and Vlad’s criminal network.

Teaching that slavery and the genocide of the native peoples was wrong and evil is now going
to banned and replaced with stories about the Africans from East Central Africa who were made
to be slaves just got a nice boat ride to America. Rewriting History in the name of Jesus by the
least Christian people you could find is the goal.

gab13by13

(28,364 posts)
5. I call them blatant lies,
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:28 AM
May 18

calling them conspiracy theories gives them a shred of truth. I believe the conspiracy theory that Oswald didn't kill JFK.

surfered

(7,101 posts)
6. They'll also teach the earth is flat, the moon is made of green cheese, and man lived at the same time as the dinosaurs.
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:31 AM
May 18

GiqueCee

(2,297 posts)
8. There are already WAY too many...
Sun May 18, 2025, 08:08 AM
May 18

... deluded souls that actually believe everything you mentioned, maybe with the exception of the moon thing, but that's only because they hadn't thought of it yet.
We have a thoroughly obnoxious neighbor who is convinced that the Earth is indeed flat, and no amount of logic or science can sway him. His arguments in support of this idiotic belief are incoherent gibberish. The moon is flat, too; why do you think you can only see one side of it? It all goes downhill from there, to almost speaking in tongues.
And he home-schools his kids. I pity them.

Bengus81

(8,871 posts)
15. Hmm...Don't RW dumbshits call that kind of teaching "indoctrination"?? And taught by "guberment schools"?
Sun May 18, 2025, 09:03 AM
May 18

Pot meet the KETTLE..............

MoseShrute

(62 posts)
7. As a life-long okie...
Sun May 18, 2025, 08:04 AM
May 18

It’s hard for me to believe this is the state that produced Will Rogers and Woody Guthrie. That’s what multiple generations of hard core rw blather from The Daily Oklahoman, the newspaper out of OKC, will do. It was Fux sNews before there was Fux sNews. Oklahoma has been either last or one of the worst 3-4 states in educational results for 40 years now. The lunatic ryan walters has his eyes set on Felon47’s massive rump to be the Groom of the Stool, but he must not be doing something correctly because he’s still here. Damnit. There is a great book, Waltzing With the Ghost of Tom Joad, that perfectly explains why Oklahoma was the 6th poorest state in the nation back in the 1930s and still is today. Main reasons: generational lack of education.

BumRushDaShow

(153,873 posts)
9. And...
Sun May 18, 2025, 08:13 AM
May 18


(I actually saw a "summer stock" production of that, I think in Portsmouth, NH, back in the '70s when visiting my cousins who lived up in the area back then )

And as a weather hobbyist, they have been threatening the gutting of the Storm Prediction Center that is located right there in Norman, OK.

Bengus81

(8,871 posts)
16. Also the State that aviator Wiley Post was from. He had some skeletons in the closet
Sun May 18, 2025, 09:13 AM
May 18

but did great things for aviation before he was killed in 1935. While flying the Lockheed Vega he discovered the jet stream seven or eight years before the claim that WWII pilots discovered it.

He had Goodyear rubber make him a pressurized flying suit in the 30's for high altitude flying.

There's a book called Forgotten Eagle about his life that is a fantastic read.

Paladin

(30,628 posts)
11. Thanks for making Texas look enlightened by comparison, Oklahoma.
Sun May 18, 2025, 08:37 AM
May 18

Normally it takes UT whipping OU in college football to accomplish that.

Of course, it's just a matter of time before Greg Abbott, Dan Patrick, Ted Cruz, and the rest of the Texas Republican leadership douchebags try to do the same thing to our public schools. Making Texas look stupid is what they live for.

paleotn

(20,431 posts)
12. A fascist education!
Sun May 18, 2025, 08:45 AM
May 18

What better way to say you're a state filled with illiterate, god bothering fucktards!!!!!

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

samnsara

(18,531 posts)
17. Hopefully there are parents who will remove their kids during that indoctrination
Sun May 18, 2025, 09:51 AM
May 18

..when i worked with child abuse and neglect prevention non profits we would make presentations in the schools about Good Touch/Bad Touch and we had to present the info to a parent group before we even were allowed into the classrooms.

oldmanlynn

(666 posts)
18. As soon as they produce text, that is clearly wrong and they're teaching them the wrong things
Sun May 18, 2025, 10:03 AM
May 18

They will be sued and they will lose

KPN

(16,659 posts)
19. Oh boy, that's a doozy! The transformation is apparently complete. We are now officially and unquestionably
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:19 PM
May 18

living on Bizzaro World. .... I'd say remind me never ever to travel to or through Oklahoma again, but I already made that commitment a long while ago.

appleannie1

(5,279 posts)
21. When are they going to teach that wind turbines cause cancer?
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:29 PM
May 18

Hitler employed the same tactics and actually got children to turn in their parents.

mdbl

(6,618 posts)
22. Jesus what an asshole.
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:43 PM
May 18

If I were a parent in that state I would try and start a class-action lawsuit against teaching falsehoods to public school children.

Beartracks

(13,905 posts)
31. Right? It seems you'd have to have PROVEN the "fact" before you could teach it as fact.
Sun May 18, 2025, 02:21 PM
May 18

How many courts ruled against the election denier lawsuits due to lack of any evidence? Wasn't it over 60?

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cbabe

(5,064 posts)
23. I used to give extra credit points if a student found an error in their history book.
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:56 PM
May 18

Surprising number of errors, poor grammar and punctuation, etc.

Would be fun asking these students to do the same. Do their own research like finding the hidden animals in the drawing.

Martin68

(25,877 posts)
24. That is seriously dangerous to the future of democracy. I suspect this is one reason for dissolving the Education
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:59 PM
May 18

Department. That and the desire to teach conservative Christianity in state-funded schools are the two main reasons.

cbabe

(5,064 posts)
26. Wondering how tribes are reacting? Echoes of boarding schools lies and
Sun May 18, 2025, 01:27 PM
May 18

brainwashing. Time to assert their sovereignty. Again.

azureblue

(2,438 posts)
28. Will this os so sanctimonius Chriistian
Sun May 18, 2025, 01:39 PM
May 18

Allow the teachings of Jesus in school? (even though they are pretty much common to all religions)
The rich help the needy. Help those who are sick, elderly, a newcomer, poor, etc. (and if you do not, you are going to hell)
Plus the "Do not lie' part which Repubs recoil from..
Of course not..

So how about emailing this nut Matthew 25: 31 - 46, and demand that OK kids be taught that. And all OK officials follow that or be removed from office.

Beartracks

(13,905 posts)
29. So that's Walters' plan for a state that ranks in the bottom 10 in education? "Let's teach bullshit!"
Sun May 18, 2025, 02:14 PM
May 18

Just start teaching ideological fever dreams as fact. That common sense is suspect. That 2 + 2 = 5.

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Beartracks

(13,905 posts)
30. So that's Walters' plan for a state that ranks in the bottom 10 in education? "Let's teach bullshit!"
Sun May 18, 2025, 02:14 PM
May 18

Just start teaching ideological fever dreams as fact. That common sense is suspect. That 2 + 2 = 5.

=======================

chouchou

(1,933 posts)
32. WTF! Oklahoma is WAY toward the bottom of the barrel..and they want to make it worse??
Sun May 18, 2025, 02:25 PM
May 18

Crime & Corrections
#38
Education
#48
Health Care
#48
Infrastructure
#32
Natural Environment
#37
Opportunity
#30

dedl67

(30 posts)
34. Many Oklahomans who are smart and talented
Sun May 18, 2025, 02:50 PM
May 18

will likely move to more enlightened states. As a result, Oklahoma will become an even less desirable place to live, and the process of selective emigration will continue. This is sad, as there are many good people in Oklahoma.

Jacson6

(1,316 posts)
37. To tell you the truth.
Sun May 18, 2025, 03:54 PM
May 18

95% of the teenagers in my civics class just took it for credits to graduate. They really didn't care what was taught. I was a news and politics buff as a teenager, so I liked it. I took what they taught us as a grain of salt.


This was 45 years ago.



Karasu

(1,293 posts)
39. Some states are already too far gone, and I pity anyone who lives in them who isn't a Republican.
Sun May 18, 2025, 06:19 PM
May 18

Last edited Sun May 18, 2025, 07:49 PM - Edit history (1)

BidenRocks

(1,556 posts)
40. More lawsuits!
Sun May 18, 2025, 06:28 PM
May 18

Knowingly spreading false information, propaganda, in taxpayer funded schools.
Start with this lie and the kids will never listen to you again.
Class Dismissed! Forever!

DENVERPOPS

(12,465 posts)
41. Of course they do
Sun May 18, 2025, 10:41 PM
May 18

Isn't the Oklahoma Public Schools the ones that ordered 65,000 of Trump's tacky, way over priced, cheaply made BIBLES????????

LudwigPastorius

(12,596 posts)
44. OOOOOOOOK...Lahoma where the wind comes rushin' down the plain.
Mon May 19, 2025, 03:32 PM
May 19

...and the bullshit's high as an elephant's eye

...as it's climbin' clear up to the skyyyyy

IcyPeas

(23,651 posts)
46. Ryan Walters is pathetic. I'm surprised trump hasn't hired him.
Mon May 19, 2025, 06:21 PM
May 19
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Oklahoma’s top education official said he’s teaming with country music singer Lee Greenwood in seeking donations to get $59.99 leather-bound “God Bless the USA” Bibles into classrooms throughout the state, after a legislative panel rejected his $3 million request to fund the effort.

State Superintendent Ryan Walters said this week that he’s partnering with Greenwood to help ensure the Bibles, which have been endorsed by President Donald Trump, get to Oklahoma schools.

https://apnews.com/article/bible-oklahoma-schools-walters-greenwood-0b3b92e2b273c3ac7fa40ab4c9646a70

Oklahoma superintendent faces blowback for putting Libs of TikTok creator on library panel

Raichik’s Libs of TikTok account on X frequently features anti-trans posts and clips of public school teachers aimed at generating right-wing outrage. One of her posts last year showing an edited video critical of a public school librarian in Tulsa led to several consecutive days of bomb threats to schools in the district.

In 2022, medical providers at Children’s National Hospital in Washington became the latest targets of social media campaigns harassing U.S. hospitals after a post to the Libs of TikTok account.

https://apnews.com/article/oklahoma-education-superintendent-walters-libs-tiktok-raichik-4db2bcb9d8e0582f67329f6879bdf6ba

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(16,107 posts)
47. I hope the ACLU
Mon May 19, 2025, 06:23 PM
May 19

or the local Dem party or someone will take this to court. Didn't Trump lose about 60 times in court on this very subject?

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