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mahatmakanejeeves

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Sat Apr 5, 2025, 08:18 PM Saturday

Trump administration argues judge can't order the return of man mistakenly deported to El Salvador

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Source: Associated Press, via CBS News

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Trump administration argues judge can't order the return of man mistakenly deported to El Salvador

Updated on: April 5, 2025 / 7:35 PM EDT / AP

A federal judge did not have the authority to order the Trump administration to broker the return of a Maryland man who was mistakenly deported from the U.S. to a notorious El Salvador prison, government attorneys argued Saturday as they urged an appeals court to suspend the ruling.

U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis on Friday ordered the administration to "facilitate and effectuate" Kilmar Abrego Garcia's return to the U.S. by late Monday night. Justice Department lawyers asked the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to immediately pause the judge's order.

"A judicial order that forces the Executive to engage with a foreign power in a certain way, let alone compel a certain action by a foreign sovereign, is constitutionally intolerable," they wrote. ... The appeals court asked Abrego Garcia's lawyers to respond to the government's filing by Sunday afternoon.

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Abrego Garcia's attorney, Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, said the government has done nothing to get his client back, even after admitting its errors. ... "Plenty of tweets. Plenty of White House press conferences. But no actual steps taken with the government of El Salvador to make it right," he told the judge on Friday.

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Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/doj-argues-judge-cant-order-return-of-kilmar-abrego-garcia/



Chris Geidner
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Update: Overnight, DOJ filed a request for a stay pending appeal at the 4th Circuit, with a ruling by 5p Sunday, and an emergency administrative stay. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca4.178258/gov.uscourts.ca4.178258.3.1.pdf.

The 4th Circuit ordered a response by 2p Sunday: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca4.178258/gov.uscourts.ca4.178258.6.0_1.pdf

From DOJ:
IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT
KILMAR ARMANDO ABREGO GARCIA, et al.,
Plaintiffs-Appellees,
v.
No. 25-1345
KRISTI NOEM, Secretary of Homeland Security, et al.,
Defendants-Appellants.
EMERGENCY MOTION FOR STAY PENDING APPEAL AND IMMEDIATE ADMINISTRATIVE STAY
Late Friday afternoon, a federal district judge ordered the United States to force El Salvador to send one of its citizens - a member of MS-13, no less - back to the United States by midnight on Monday. If there was ever a case for an emergency stay pending appeal, this would be it.
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April 5, 2025 at 5:30 PM

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UPDATE: DOJ is appealing the order regarding Abrego Garcia to the Fourth Circuit: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.22.0.pdf

April 4, 2025 at 5:09 PM
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Trump administration argues judge can't order the return of man mistakenly deported to El Salvador (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Saturday OP
the plane only flies one way? stillcool Saturday #1
He might as well be in another galaxy! BootinUp Saturday #7
4th circuit court. bluestarone Saturday #2
In my dreams ..... dobleremolque Saturday #3
Donnie the Despot wants to prove to the world there is only one Master of the Universe,... magicarpet Saturday #4
Charge them Mrsfiddlegirl Saturday #5
The U.S. lied to the court Trumpdumper Saturday #6
Locking. Dupe of https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143434217 GP6971 Saturday #8
By that logic the President can grab anyone off the street and send them to another country and not be held accountable. cstanleytech Saturday #9
Translation: "When ICE comes for you, your only hope is to shoot" struggle4progress Saturday #10
Can't they just the ICE agents involved and call their bluff? Seasider Saturday #11
Arrest them I mean. Seasider Yesterday #12

stillcool

(33,518 posts)
1. the plane only flies one way?
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 08:23 PM
Saturday

BootinUp

(49,571 posts)
7. He might as well be in another galaxy!
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 09:24 PM
Saturday

bluestarone

(19,384 posts)
2. 4th circuit court.
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 08:24 PM
Saturday

What is the judges chances here? Anybody?

dobleremolque

(991 posts)
3. In my dreams .....
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 08:33 PM
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1. subpoena Kristi Noem;
2. find her in contempt;
3. order her arrested and held in whatever kind of holding cell the courthouse has available, until;
4. Abrego is returned to the United States and,
5. They can do a "prisoner exchange" in the courtroom.

I can dream, can't I?

magicarpet

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4. Donnie the Despot wants to prove to the world there is only one Master of the Universe,...
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 08:49 PM
Saturday

... and that person being Donny the Orange Dipshit.

Mrsfiddlegirl

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5. Charge them
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 08:51 PM
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If judges rulings aren't complied with then someone should be charged with kidnapping. They grabbed this man and disappeared him. Jail
whoever gave the order for the planes to not turnaround. Enough of playing footsie with the DOJ.

Trumpdumper

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6. The U.S. lied to the court
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 08:56 PM
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There is no evidence at all that the deportee is a member of MS-13. The government will be unable to back up the “facts” stated in the very first sentence of its appeal. Lawyers are not allowed to lie. Whoever presides at the hearing will have ample reason to find the government in contempt for lying to the court.

GP6971

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8. Locking. Dupe of https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143434217
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 10:51 PM
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cstanleytech

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9. By that logic the President can grab anyone off the street and send them to another country and not be held accountable.
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 11:21 PM
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struggle4progress

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10. Translation: "When ICE comes for you, your only hope is to shoot"
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 11:38 PM
Saturday

Seasider

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11. Can't they just the ICE agents involved and call their bluff?
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 11:59 PM
Saturday

Seasider

(207 posts)
12. Arrest them I mean.
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 12:00 AM
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