Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

mahatmakanejeeves

(64,065 posts)
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 09:26 AM Friday

A stunning number of electric vehicle, battery factories are being canceled

Source: Washington Post, via MSN

A stunning number of electric vehicle, battery factories are being canceled

Story by Shannon Osaka • 3h • 4 min read

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1ChPpn.img
A stunning number of electric vehicle, battery factories are being canceled
© Nic Antaya/For The Washington Post

Over the past few years, electric vehicle manufacturing facilities producing lithium batteries, car parts and critical minerals sprang up all over the United States. Drawing on cash and tax credits from the Inflation Reduction Act, these factories promised to provide jobs — largely in Republican areas — and to set the nation on a path to making homegrown EVs.

But even before President Donald Trump’s sweeping tariffs on imports, many of those projects were being canceled — leaving thousands of jobs and the shift to clean energy in doubt. ... According to data from Atlas Public Policy, a policy research group, more projects were canceled in the first quarter of 2025 than in the previous two years combined. Those cancellations include a $1 billion factory in Georgia that would have made thermal barriers for batteries and a $1.2 billion lithium-ion battery factory in Arizona.

“It’s hard at the moment to be a manufacturer in the U.S. given uncertainties on tariffs, tax credits and regulations,” said Tom Taylor, senior policy analyst at Atlas Public Policy. Hundreds of millions of dollars in additional investments appear to be stalled, he added, but haven’t been formally canceled yet.

“Nothing is more important to business than market clarity,” said Bob Keefe, executive director of E2, a clean energy advocacy group. “It’s about as clear as a blizzard at midnight.”

{snip}

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-stunning-number-of-electric-vehicle-battery-factories-are-being-canceled/ar-AA1ChG3s



Original article, behind paywall:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2025/04/03/ev-factories-canceled/
20 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
A stunning number of electric vehicle, battery factories are being canceled (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Friday OP
Therefore fair to ask why we need minerals from Greenland and Ukraine? /nt bucolic_frolic Friday #1
The new oil Blackjackdavey Friday #4
The chemistry is in flux Bluetus Friday #6
Interesting Blackjackdavey Friday #10
It means that sodium is plentiful. Bluetus Friday #15
Have you read about Sodium ION? Interesting read Bengus81 Friday #14
Yes. Things are moving very quickly. Bluetus Friday #16
Yeah...hell Trump doesn't understand basic technology or even care. It's just money Bengus81 Friday #17
Sodium and Lithium both have 1 valence electron Bluetus Friday #19
Good points. The plutocrats exerting leverage to buy cheap. erronis Friday #11
"Largely in republican areas." Good. Scrivener7 Friday #2
The rest of the world will soon leave the US in the dust, technologically. sinkingfeeling Friday #3
hey! the brilliant tech bros et tu Friday #5
China already has when it come to EVs! much less expensive, much better quality than tesla and charge in 5 min PortTack Friday #9
Also medical research and other scientific fields Martin Eden Friday #18
I am simultaneously amused and disgusted to hear the routine asignment of the word... NNadir Friday #7
Deliberately exacerbating catastrophic climate change Martin Eden Friday #8
Electric cars have very little to do with addressing extreme global heating. Where I live, they're worse... NNadir Saturday #20
So we are now going to allow China to take the lead on EV's? Wow! n/t aggiesal Friday #12
. dalton99a Friday #13

Blackjackdavey

(203 posts)
4. The new oil
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 10:11 AM
Friday

Because they have rightly realized those minerals are the new oil and depressing demand while you're in the process of monopolizing the supply probably makes it cheaper. Cheaper still if you monopolize the supply with the use of someone else's tax dollars and resources. Cheaper even still if you can bank bribes from petrochemical companies in the meantime. That's my guess anyway.

Bluetus

(889 posts)
6. The chemistry is in flux
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 10:50 AM
Friday

First, there is very little lithium in "lithium batteries".

Different chemistries are being used as "semi-solid-state batteries" enter production. And ultimately, it appears that a majority of the vehicle and stationary storage market can be met with no lithium at all -- using sodium-based chemistries.

Cobalt and graphite are as in-demand as lithium.

Blackjackdavey

(203 posts)
10. Interesting
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:06 PM
Friday

But i don't know what it means within this context. The mineral deposits in question are lithium only and therefore not that important? Mineral deposits for battery production isn't that important? Or all three or one or the other are available within these deposits and they are important?

Bluetus

(889 posts)
15. It means that sodium is plentiful.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:53 PM
Friday

Sodium ion batteries will never have the energy density that is possible with lithium because sodium is a much heavier atom. However with the improvements that are happening in the holistic battery design, it looks like sodium ion batteries will be able to replace lithium in most applications eventually.

There will still be some materials in short supply, but it is not necessarily the same elements that are in demand today.

Bluetus

(889 posts)
16. Yes. Things are moving very quickly.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:56 PM
Friday

But because United States policy has been dominated by billionaires and fossil fuel corporations, the United States is simply not a player in new energy.

I know that Biden tried his best to move that forward, and did achieve some steps forward. But we are overwhelmed by this guided corporations with way too much power. China is kicking our asses. And you cannot fix that with tariffs.

Bengus81

(8,574 posts)
17. Yeah...hell Trump doesn't understand basic technology or even care. It's just money
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:00 PM
Friday

I can't remember if Sodium ION charges faster but I think the charging cycles of those types of battery are endless. Plus sodium is literately everywhere on Earth as opposed to Lithium.

Bluetus

(889 posts)
19. Sodium and Lithium both have 1 valence electron
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 03:21 PM
Friday

So their charging properties should be similar. The main difference is that sodium has much greater atomic weight (I.e. more dead weight for that one productive electron).

However, charging speed depends on many factors. And at the same time CATL, BYD and others are moving to sodium, they are also working toward solid state or semi-solid state packages, and some of those can tolerate a much faster charging rate.

So far, Na-ion batteries should be considered experimental. There are a few EVs in production in China, but they are small city cars with limited range. For the moment, practically all EVs use either NMC (expensive, best range) or LFP (cheaper). It is common to have one model use LFP for lower trim levels and NMC for higher trim levels. By 2030, I expect lower priced cars will be mostly using Na-ion and the higher priced models using lithium, but in a solid state format.

The key thing for Americans to understand is that this is dominated by the CHinese, and to a lesser degree Korea and Japan. Tesla has never been a battery player. They already replied on Panasonic, and more recently have to buy a lot of product from CATL. This is all a direct result of the Limbaugh/Fox/Ailes RW machine that fought every attempt to drive energy leadership in the US. Now we are screwed. China will dominate this area for the rest of anybody's life who is reading this in 2025.

Well done, MAGA people.

PortTack

(35,467 posts)
9. China already has when it come to EVs! much less expensive, much better quality than tesla and charge in 5 min
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:54 AM
Friday

for a 250 mi trip

Martin Eden

(14,084 posts)
18. Also medical research and other scientific fields
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:01 PM
Friday

The dumbing down of America was apparent when Trump was elected. Both times.

Catastrophic climate events will multiply while Trump has crippled FEMA's ability to respond.

NNadir

(35,468 posts)
7. I am simultaneously amused and disgusted to hear the routine asignment of the word...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:06 AM
Friday

..."clean" or worse the widely abused word "green" applied to electric cars.

They are only so in the case where electricity is clean or "green," which, in most places, it isn't.

Martin Eden

(14,084 posts)
8. Deliberately exacerbating catastrophic climate change
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:19 AM
Friday

Is about as stupid as it gets. Ultimately, everyone loses.

NNadir

(35,468 posts)
20. Electric cars have very little to do with addressing extreme global heating. Where I live, they're worse...
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 06:45 AM
Saturday

...than internal combustion engines (ICE) for CO2 when you include the embodied energy:

A paper addressing the idea that electric cars are "green."

I live on the PJM grid, which happens to be the grid referenced in the paper.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»A stunning number of elec...