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BumRushDaShow

(150,177 posts)
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:11 PM Thursday

Republicans panic over Trump tariffs: Last time "we lost the House and the Senate for 60 years"

Source: Salon

Published April 3, 2025 9:50AM (EDT)


On Tuesday, a liberal judge cleaned out her conservative rival in a pivotal court race in Wisconsin, while GOP House candidates in two Florida districts underperformed Donald Trump's 2024 result by more than 15 points, sending jolts of panic through a Republican Party wary of what those portend for the 2026 midterms. And that's before the president announced "reciprocal" tariffs Wednesday that some Republican lawmakers fear will wreak havoc on both the economy and their standing among voters.

Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., was a beneficiary of both the 2010 and 2014 midterm backlash against former President Barack Obama, which carried him to the speakership of the North Carolina House of Representatives and then to the Senate, respectively. On Wednesday, he warned in an interview with Politico that Republicans risk inviting the same fate in 2026, when he is up for re-election.

“What we don’t want to do is overreach,” Tillis said. “We’ve got to be careful not to do the same thing. And I think that these elections are going to be proxies, or almost like weather devices for figuring out what kind of storm we’re going to be up against next year.” Some of his colleagues see precedent even further back in time, worrying that voters, already restive over Trump's cuts to vital government services, will blame the GOP for any fallout from the tariffs and inflict on the party the kind of electoral devastation not seen since the Great Depression.

"When [President William McKinley], most famously, put tariffs on in 1890, they lost 50% of their seats in the next election,” Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., told reporters. “When Smoot and Hawley put on their tariff in the early 1930s, we lost the House and the Senate for 60 years. So they’re not only bad economically, they’re bad politically.”

Read more: https://www.salon.com/2025/04/03/panic-over-tariffs-last-time-we-lost-the-and-the-senate-for-60-years/



“What we don’t want to do is overreach,” Tillis said.


Your "leaders" (Muskrat and 45) didn't just "overreach", they did a "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" on the federal government, the U.S. Constitution, and the people of the United States.

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Republicans panic over Trump tariffs: Last time "we lost the House and the Senate for 60 years" (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Thursday OP
Yah, losing the House and Senate - THEIR F-ing jobs!! Tadpole Raisin Thursday #1
That would be the kind of layoff I could celebrate. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #6
Well Thommy boy...the DOW was down almost 1,600 this morning Bengus81 Thursday #2
Let's make it an even 100 years. C_U_L8R Thursday #3
This time the Republicans must lose Forever. delisen Thursday #4
2 parties is going to be the natural fallout of an electoral-college-based system. nt Gore1FL Thursday #7
The Electoral College was set up to throw a sop to the slave owning states. Out-lived its usefulness. . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #9
Yep. But here we are. nt Gore1FL Thursday #10
That's the Canadian system. Don't stop there. Keep going with your idea Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #8
And we would need Stonealone Thursday #34
Every one of my conservative friends and family ScratchCat Thursday #5
And it will be a blood bath! Aussie105 Thursday #22
The Republicans in Congress are to blame as they are to cowardly to stand up to Trump. cstanleytech Thursday #11
Not in this day and age, with the RW servants helping them and a fickle voter demographic ffr Thursday #12
Dems have to waste so much of their time cleaning up repuke mess Skittles Thursday #19
Woe is me. twodogsbarking Thursday #13
E c onomists were writing artic les 2 years ago Warpy Thursday #14
I hope they are in total panic mode Grim Chieftain Thursday #15
Some voters would feel more of a connection to oval office if we had direct election for president Gum Logger Thursday #16
Fuck the whole lot of that motherfucking hill of shit that is MAGA and the fucking scumbags that support them. SoFlaBro Thursday #17
Where's your orange messiah nowww, nyeah? LudwigPastorius Thursday #18
Golfing Joinfortmill Thursday #25
"What we don't want is overreach." LOL. Well, that's what you've got. In spades. Martin68 Thursday #20
The OverReach ship has sailed, you nimrods. LuckyLib Thursday #33
Nailed it singling that quote out! KPN Thursday #21
Own it, Repubes. Paladin Thursday #23
Yup. And folks who weren't paying attention... Joinfortmill Thursday #24
Relax, GOP! That won't happen again... regnaD kciN Thursday #26
Here is what they are talking about: blue-wave Thursday #27
I posted about that earlier today in another thread (with respect to the number in the Senate during FDR's 4 terms) BumRushDaShow Thursday #30
I posted the numbers from the beginning of each session blue-wave Thursday #32
The numbers were continually fluctuating during each 2-year "class" BumRushDaShow Thursday #35
Different times though Polybius Yesterday #42
"In the early and mid 30's there just wasn't the deep divide that we have now." BumRushDaShow 18 hrs ago #44
I knew when I wrote that reply that it would be countered Polybius 11 hrs ago #48
"We lost the House and the Senate for 60 years" BadgerMom Thursday #28
Wish the election was this Tuesday and not 11/2 yrs. FloridaBlues Thursday #29
Hopefully this time Quanto Magnus Thursday #31
yes, but last time they didn't have FoxNewsSucks Thursday #36
Repugs can go down with the rest of us. You are complicit, you refuse to speak for us vapor2 Thursday #37
Look at all these GOP cowards pretending they didn't want this. travelingthrulife Thursday #38
Hoping that this time they lose the House, Senate and Presidency Old Testament Libera Friday #39
Wouldn't THAT be nice???!!!! Jack Valentino Saturday #40
Tillis really needs to go back and study history Polybius Yesterday #41
You need to go back another 20 years to 1933 and FDR, starting with the 73rd Congress BumRushDaShow 19 hrs ago #43
Oh, I know all about those years Polybius 11 hrs ago #47
Since his argument was about "tariffs" BumRushDaShow 11 hrs ago #49
And hopefully this time longer. republianmushroom 13 hrs ago #45
They're so short-sighted sakabatou 13 hrs ago #46

Tadpole Raisin

(1,620 posts)
1. Yah, losing the House and Senate - THEIR F-ing jobs!!
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:15 PM
Thursday

That’s all they care about! It’s not about you assholes it is the needs of your constituents which maybe, finally, they will realize you don’t give a damn about!

Bengus81

(8,574 posts)
2. Well Thommy boy...the DOW was down almost 1,600 this morning
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:20 PM
Thursday

Your concern about overreach is about eight years late. You clowns kiss Trumps ASS then worry about overreach? You could have stood up weeks ago and told Musk to STOP this shit he was doing. Now you have town halls filled with screaming Republicans.

You and other Republicans could have told Trump to not even try this massive tariff disaster. We have plenty of history to look back on showing it never works.

FUCK YOU TILLIS!!

C_U_L8R

(46,939 posts)
3. Let's make it an even 100 years.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:30 PM
Thursday

Or how about NEVER. Let's never see your weaselly lying cheating self-serving pocket-stuffing asses ever again.

delisen

(6,897 posts)
4. This time the Republicans must lose Forever.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:55 PM
Thursday

We need 2 strong national parties, and up to 3 minor parties. The major parties are the Democratic and the Progressive Democratic . These will attract 85 percent of the voters.

We will be able to start addressing all the.major issues before us, our freedoms, our health, education and safety nets, our environment and climate change challenges. We will rebuild our international alliances with our allies, build the foundation for justice and peace, contain the power mad.

The minor parties will divide the rest of the voters among them, and we will have to be vigilant

Gore1FL

(22,368 posts)
7. 2 parties is going to be the natural fallout of an electoral-college-based system. nt
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 02:11 PM
Thursday

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,093 posts)
9. The Electoral College was set up to throw a sop to the slave owning states. Out-lived its usefulness. . .nt
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 02:13 PM
Thursday

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,093 posts)
8. That's the Canadian system. Don't stop there. Keep going with your idea
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 02:11 PM
Thursday

Bring in a parliamentary system.

Liberal Party of Canada: Government
CONservatives: "Loyal" Opposition
New Democratic Party: usually third place, but once was Opposition
Bloc Quebecois (regional)
Green (a couple of seats)

The Liberal Party is the longest-serving and oldest active federal political party in the country, and has dominated federal politics of Canada for much of its history, holding power for almost 70 years of the 20th century.[21][12] As a result, it has sometimes been referred to as Canada's "natural governing party".[22][14][23]


Canada is in the middle of an election, called because we need an election now, a mandate now, not on some calendar schedule.

If the US had a parliament, Congress and tRump would be dissolved already by now. Congress by beginning a five week election campaign and tRump by the process seen in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Saves money too.

Stonealone

(20 posts)
34. And we would need
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 05:27 PM
Thursday

Progressive Voting. With a winner declared once one of the candidates gets 50% +1 of the votes. not this "I have a mandate because I got 33% of the votes" bull shit!

And yes, we need to rebuild the Social Safety Net again. as well as limit the power of Corporations.

I still believe in "WE THE PEOPLE". not "We the top 1%"!!

but like my dad always said "Shit in one hand, and wish in the other. and see which one gets warm first."

ScratchCat

(2,640 posts)
5. Every one of my conservative friends and family
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:56 PM
Thursday

Are pissed beyond belief. Its almost humorous. They know that "the people who stayed home" will go to the polls in 2026 and vote out all the Republicans.

Aussie105

(6,936 posts)
22. And it will be a blood bath!
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 03:49 PM
Thursday

Currently there are three groups:

1. Dem voters - who say 'we told you so!'
2. Non voters - who now regret ignoring everything, because they now realize that was never a viable or smart option.
3. Repug voters - regretting what their votes brought them.

We are currently reaping the whirlwind, to coin a phrase, seeing Donnie in all his incompetence and insanity.

ffr

(23,166 posts)
12. Not in this day and age, with the RW servants helping them and a fickle voter demographic
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 02:59 PM
Thursday

Just bring up some divisive thing, like the price of toothpicks and let that story run 24/7 for weeks until you win the next election. Then, you can go back to destroying American's democracy and economy brick by brick.

Besides, even when people are so pissed they do vote for democrats, after they restore repairing the economy and institutions about 80% of the way their, the next election will come up, the electorate will feel happy again, but that we "could do better," and they'll put fucking Putin's army of republicans back into office and the fuck everything up again.

Skittles

(163,160 posts)
19. Dems have to waste so much of their time cleaning up repuke mess
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 03:39 PM
Thursday

repukes are able to hit the ground running and have plenty of time to fuck things up

Warpy

(113,143 posts)
14. E c onomists were writing artic les 2 years ago
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 03:04 PM
Thursday

about how the idiotic economic policies being proposed by TFG* in his speeches would crash our economy and not just for the duration of his misrule. It will take decades to rebuild trust with what will be former trading partners, even if a miracle occurs and we get a veto proof majority in Congress and manage to reduce the ability of a autocratic dimwit pulling stunts like these ever again.

Hang on, kiddies, the ride's going to get very bumpy and it won't get smoother for a long time.

*That Fat Grifter, of course
(Yes, I'm back, but only in a very limited fashion)

Grim Chieftain

(61 posts)
15. I hope they are in total panic mode
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 03:05 PM
Thursday

Each and every Trump supporter and enabler needs to experience the fear and uncertainly they have bestowed on millions of Americans who have not only lost their jobs but fear they will find themselves unemployed and unable to provide for their families.

The backlash cometh and it could not be bestowed on more deserving idiots.

Gum Logger

(47 posts)
16. Some voters would feel more of a connection to oval office if we had direct election for president
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 03:10 PM
Thursday

SoFlaBro

(3,426 posts)
17. Fuck the whole lot of that motherfucking hill of shit that is MAGA and the fucking scumbags that support them.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 03:19 PM
Thursday

KPN

(16,530 posts)
21. Nailed it singling that quote out!
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 03:43 PM
Thursday

Too late Thommy T!

Really, that was a burst out laughable line by Tillis, a yowser!

regnaD kciN

(26,910 posts)
26. Relax, GOP! That won't happen again...
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 04:05 PM
Thursday

Back then, they still had things called “elections.”

blue-wave

(4,559 posts)
27. Here is what they are talking about:
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 04:13 PM
Thursday

The 73rd Congress began on March 4 1933. The Democrats held 58 out of 96 Senate seats and 311 out of 435 House seats.

January of 1935 was the beginning of the 74th Congress. Out of 96 senators at that time (Alaska and Hawaii were not yet states) the Democrats held 75 seats. In the House, the Democrats held 333 seats out of 435. Indeed, the Democratic Party song at the time was "Happy days are here again." The great depression nearly destroyed the Republican Party.

BumRushDaShow

(150,177 posts)
30. I posted about that earlier today in another thread (with respect to the number in the Senate during FDR's 4 terms)
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 04:28 PM
Thursday
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3432527

The below shows the number of Democrats (and doesn't even include the couple parties that caucused with them which amounted to 1 or 2 additional per Congressional session)

(snip)

If you look historically over FDR's 4 terms (his last term being abruptly impacted by his death), he had periods where the Senate had large supporting numbers of Democrats (and those who affiliated with them), and IIRC, the cloture number was actually 67 (vs the current 60). He was able to get SS through with those types of numbers.

(each of the below being the tally at the end of the particular Congressional session)

73rd (1933 - 1935) - 60/35
74th (1935 - 1937) - 72/22
75th (1937 - 1939) - 74/18 (and as high as 76)
76th (1939 - 1941) - 68/25
77th (19431- 1943) - 64/30
78th (1943 - 1945) - 56/39

blue-wave

(4,559 posts)
32. I posted the numbers from the beginning of each session
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 04:47 PM
Thursday

I certainly don't want to witness a depression or recession, but those numbers look really good. If we could hold an election tomorrow, we might be able to save the country and world for that matter.

BumRushDaShow

(150,177 posts)
35. The numbers were continually fluctuating during each 2-year "class"
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 06:17 PM
Thursday

But I know that is the level of (D) support that we would need to get stuff done.

Polybius

(19,637 posts)
42. Different times though
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 01:04 AM
Yesterday

In the early and mid 30's there just wasn't the deep divide that we have now. Some of the hot-button topics (I won't name them, but commercials dominated October) just weren't around back then. Even with civil rights, the deep divide didn't happen until the 50's.

Sure, the Parties disagreed on the economy and taxes, but that wasn't enough to hate your neighbor.

BumRushDaShow

(150,177 posts)
44. "In the early and mid 30's there just wasn't the deep divide that we have now."
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 07:05 AM
18 hrs ago

What? There sure as hell was!

THAT was the time when an ideological, philosophical, and economic switch was happening to the parties, which lead to a wholesale rejection of the GOP due to Hoover's (and the bankster) policies. There were a number of demographics like AAs, who were still Republican (like my politically-active great-great-uncle) due to Lincoln, who were being heavily recruited by northern Democrats.

The divisiveness leading up to a split included what was going on post-WWI, with the agitation from the Suffrage Movement (remember that?) and then later with the Temperance movement (the equivalent to the "Mom's (against) for Liberty" ) the latter triggering that "minor" event that caused the passage of a Constitutional Amendment - PROHIBITION!

THAT Amendment was finally repealed with another Amendment under FDR in 1933.

Sure, the Parties disagreed on the economy and taxes, but that wasn't enough to hate your neighbor.


Did you forget about all the immigration and anti-immigrant fervor in the 1930s?

What goes down in infamy was the U.S.'s refusal to allow the S.S. St. Louis, holding almost 1000 Jews fleeing Nazi Germany, to dock. Despite our getting involved in WWII with the 1941 Pearl Harbor incident, we were in the background harassing and blockading Japanese ships in the 1930s, all while the war was already underway in Europe in the 1930s (leading to piles of people leaving Europe to come here).

During the "Dust Bowl" (remember that? No neither you nor I were born but my parents were ), you had untold numbers "migrating" within the U.S., many being harassed and exploited (see "Grapes of Wrath" ).

The only difference between back then and now is that back then there was no "television", "cable", "satellite", or "internet" to magnify it. But the same kind of crap was going on, notably ethnic and religious clashes (particularly Protestant vs Catholic).

Polybius

(19,637 posts)
48. I knew when I wrote that reply that it would be countered
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 02:03 PM
11 hrs ago

And you are correct, I completely forgot about immigration, and didn't realize the 18th Amendment wasn't repealed until 1933. Still though, do you think it's as bad as today? I guess I'm just used to remembering being a kid in the 80's, and hearing about Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill having a beer. Imagine that happening today?

FloridaBlues

(4,505 posts)
29. Wish the election was this Tuesday and not 11/2 yrs.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 04:27 PM
Thursday

Voters just couldn’t handle a steady strong economy with some prices coming down.
Wonder if feds will have emergency meeting to lower rates. A dollar short and a day late.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,052 posts)
36. yes, but last time they didn't have
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 06:46 PM
Thursday

Today's level of gerrymandering and voters suppression. They didn't own the news media. Or the voting computer systems.

They do now.

vapor2

(2,048 posts)
37. Repugs can go down with the rest of us. You are complicit, you refuse to speak for us
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 08:06 PM
Thursday

or represent us, you refuse to stand up to this monster. You now refuse to do town halls. You are all cowards period

39. Hoping that this time they lose the House, Senate and Presidency
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 04:41 PM
Friday

for 100 years. That might give time to repair the damage of the last 40.

Republicans own this entire disaster. Their fingerprints are all over it. They are chained to it, as it sinks like a concrete block down into the bay...

Jack Valentino

(1,753 posts)
40. Wouldn't THAT be nice???!!!!
Sat Apr 5, 2025, 10:54 PM
Saturday

On top of wrecking the economy, throw in the fascism, racism, hatred of women....

Two or three generations in the wilderness would not be unjustified.

Polybius

(19,637 posts)
41. Tillis really needs to go back and study history
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 12:55 AM
Yesterday

The Republicans have never lost the House and Senate for 60 years. The longest they have ever gone without the House was 40 years (1954-1994), and the longest without the Senate is 28 years (1952-1980).

BumRushDaShow

(150,177 posts)
43. You need to go back another 20 years to 1933 and FDR, starting with the 73rd Congress
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 06:32 AM
19 hrs ago

when Democrats controlled both chambers, until the 80th Congress, when the GOP finally made a breakthrough, post-WWII, with Truman in office.

That 1930s era was when the tariff mess was going on, where Smoot-Hawley had been passed in 1930 with the 71st Congress (all GOP-controlled). The latter part of the 72nd Congress ended with a split and a (D)-controlled House + (R)-controlled Senate for the 2nd session, and Democrats took it all with the 73rd.

So 1933 - 1947 is 14 years right there.

After that brief interlude of (R) control with the 80th, the 81st Congress was back to (D)-majority again starting 1949. And then it switched back again to (R) with the 83rd Congress in 1953, and then to a split (D)/(R) in the Senate (House still majority-(D)), with the 84th, and finally from the 85th Congress all the way to the 104th Congress that began in 1995, it was all-(D).

So in reality, the (R)s only had about 4 years (5 if you count the split with the Senate at the end of the 84th for the 2nd session but then that would cancel out due to 72nd Congress split of (D)s in control of the House), where 1995 - 1933 = 62 years, and then subtract 4 years over that period when (R)s were in total control, and you have 58 years, which is close enough to 60!

I know my history/poly-sci mom lived through that and talked about it alot!

Polybius

(19,637 posts)
47. Oh, I know all about those years
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 01:55 PM
11 hrs ago

I'm just a very technical type of guy. So those four years count as a break. Even if it was one year, the count still resets to zero. At least in my book.

Here's a related question for ya: What's the longest time the Democrats were out of power in the House and Senate? I know it was after the Civil war, but for howe long?

BumRushDaShow

(150,177 posts)
49. Since his argument was about "tariffs"
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 02:16 PM
11 hrs ago

and that is when they happened, that is why he went back that far! Those internecine years when there were control shifts, they seemed to happen as a result of special elections/replacements during a Congressional session, ultimately causing a brief party shift.

And regarding your question - for the House, it was starting in 1995 (after the Gingrich upheaval with the 1994 mid-term) until 2006 when (D)s were out of power. During that period, Democrats were generally still in control of the Senate until that 2000 election when there was a tie, and it has been back and forth ever since ((R) for a couple sessions until 2006 then (D) until 2014, and then (D)/(I) in 2020 (with a tie), and then back to (R) in 2024). What tipped in some cases were the (I)s who caucused with (D)s.

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