RFK Jr.'s focus on vitamin A for measles worries health experts
Source: Washington Post
RFK Jr.s focus on vitamin A for measles worries health experts
The measles outbreak in Texas has sparked debate over the use of vitamin A, with some health experts warning it may not be effective.
March 4, 2025 at 6:00 a.m. EST
Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is seen last month at President Donald Trumps first Cabinet meeting of his new term. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
By Lena H. Sun and Fenit Nirappil
Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.s focus on vitamin A use to combat a growing measles outbreak in Texas is raising concerns among public health experts, who fear he is sending the wrong message about preventing the highly contagious disease and distracting from the critical importance of vaccination. ... Kennedy, who in his years as an anti-vaccine activist criticized measles shots and boosted vitamin A as a treatment, is now using his government position to tout the vitamins accepted benefits. The Department of Health and Human Services has directed the nations top public health agency to add similar language to its guidance for caring for measles patients.
It is also our responsibility to provide up-to-date guidance on available therapeutic medications. While there is no approved antiviral for those who may be infected, CDC has recently updated their recommendation supporting administration of vitamin A under the supervision of a physician for those with mild, moderate, and severe infection, he wrote in an opinion piece that appeared on foxnews.com on Sunday night. Studies have found that vitamin A can dramatically reduce measles mortality. (1) ... His op-ed does not mention vitamin As risks.
Experts acknowledge that vitamin A can be beneficial after someone has gotten sick, but they say it is not a replacement for vaccination to prevent measles. Vitamin A is considered supportive care and typically used in countries where children are malnourished and have vitamin A deficiency. ... Anti-vaccine activists have long touted vitamin A as an alternative to immunization, concerning public health experts and doctors, who worry that Kennedys public statements will legitimize that view. ... In fact, relying on vitamin A instead of the vaccine is not only dangerous and ineffective, but it puts children at serious risk, Sue Kressly, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, said in a statement Monday. Taking too much vitamin A can cause serious health problems, including liver damage.
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Ben Edwards, a doctor in Lubbock who treats patients skeptical of modern medicine, said on a recent podcast episode that people will weather measles if they are good stewards of their immune system with nutrient-rich produce. He has expressed concerns about the side effects of measles vaccinations and said natural immunity is preferable, a view being cited by vaccine skeptics that is considered fringe by medical organizations. In an interview with The Washington Post, Edwards highlighted the studies showing a significant drop in measles deaths in malnourished children who take vitamin A. ... Thats the kind of thing I want to educate my patients: Hey, youre not severely malnourished. Youve got an immune system, Edwards said. Now you need to be feeding it real food. You need to nourish it, steward it, get some sunshine, get some good oxygen.
Caitlin Gilbert and Elana Gordon contributed to this report.
(1) https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/robert-f-kennedy-jr-measles-outbreak-call-action-all-us
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2025/03/04/measles-outbreak-vitamin-a-concerns/
The story is at The Guardian too.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/04/rfk-jr-vitamins-measles-outbreak
RFK Jr sparks alarm after backing vitamins to treat measles amid outbreak
Health experts wary as US health secretary fails to endorse effective vaccines and instead calls them a personal choice
Jessica Glenza
Tue 4 Mar 2025 12.14 EST
Robert F Kennedy Jr, the US health secretary, has caused alarm among pediatricians, vaccine experts and lawmakers with an opinion piece that focuses on vitamin A and nutrition as treatments for measles. ... In response to a measles outbreak in Texas, which resulted in the first American measles death in nearly a decade, Kennedy wrote for Fox News about the benefits of good nutrition and vitamin A but did not explicitly recommend highly effective vaccines.
In fact, relying on vitamin A instead of the vaccine is not only dangerous and ineffective, but it puts children at serious risk, Dr Sue Kressly, the president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the Washington Post.
Measles is one of the most infectious diseases in the world. Infections kill one to three people for every 1,000 infected and can cause severe brain swelling, called encephalitis, in one in 1,000 cases. The disease also causes general misery, including a characteristic top-down rash, fever, runny nose, and red and watery eyes. The measles vaccine is 97% effective at preventing the disease.
At least 146 people have been sickened in Texas, primarily in unvaccinated communities in the South Plains region. More than 20 people have been hospitalized, and an unvaccinated school-aged child died the first American measles death since April 2015.
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SunSeeker
(55,464 posts)
OKIsItJustMe
(21,210 posts)I cancelled my subscription after Bezos cancelled the Harris endorsement.
Javaman
(63,605 posts)This is all they got.
They are now the dipsy neighbor in a bad 60s sitcom
OKIsItJustMe
(21,210 posts)
littlemissmartypants
(27,183 posts)Vitamin A in this case is a euphemism for JFK, JR aka Vitamin Assh*le.
marble falls
(64,714 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,813 posts)ShazzieB
(20,218 posts)As forJFK Jr, may he rest in peace.
SheltieLover
(66,489 posts)Never mind this nonsense!
Karadeniz
(24,191 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,129 posts)published in It's Just Common Sense Journal. There's also "I've Done My Research," "I Saw It on Television," and "I've Got a Friend Who Told Me," all found in the same publication.
Don't forget the children's book, "I've Got a Worm in My Brain."
Karadeniz
(24,191 posts)wolfie001
(4,608 posts)Stupid mf'ing drug-dealing jackass.
OKIsItJustMe
(21,210 posts)Lo Vecchio, Andrea MD, PhD*; Cambriglia, Maria Donata MD*; Bruzzese, Dario PhD; Guarino, Alfredo MD*
The Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal 40(8):p 723-729, August 2021. | DOI: 10.1097/INF.0000000000003156
Abstract
Background:
Worldwide medical authorities recommend vitamin A supplementation for severe measles requiring hospitalization; however, evidence supporting its use in high-income countries is lacking. A nationwide vitamin A shortage reported in concomitance with a recent measles outbreak in Italy provided an opportunity to test the effectiveness of vitamin A in a high-income setting, approximating an unbiased allocation.
Methods:
We conducted a prospective controlled cohort study involving children admitted for measles to a tertiary-care hospital in Southern Italy. The primary outcome was the duration of fever. Secondary outcomes included the length of hospitalization, rate of complications, need for antibiotic treatment and body temperature.
Results:
A total of 108 inpatient children (36% female, median age 16.3 months) were enrolled; 36 received 2 doses of oil-based vitamin A according to age, and 72 matched controls received standard care. There were no significant differences between the study groups in the duration of fever (7.03 ± 2.67 vs. 6.82 ± 3.27, P = 0.72), length of hospitalization (median, 5.0 vs. 5.0 days, P = 0.50), maximum body temperature (median, 39°C in both groups, P = 0.23), rate of organ (69.4% vs. 63.9%, P = 0.72) and hematologic complications (41.7% vs. 59.7%, P = 0.12), or need for antibiotic treatment (66.7% vs. 61.1%, P = 0.72). Overall, vitamin A supplementation did not reduce the risk of any complications (relative risk, 1.33; 95% confidence intervals: 0.592.96).
Conclusion:
Vitamin A does not change the clinical course of measles infection or the rate of complications in children hospitalized in a high-income country.
hlthe2b
(109,150 posts)See my post downstream. The moron has extrapolated a valid finding from nearly starving populations to the industrialized world which is a night and day comparison. Supplementing vitamin A in starving children is necessary to improve chance of survival with measles, but it is neither a primary treatment NOR PREVENTATIVE. Only vaccine can provide that. But, CDC/WHO/USAID has long provided Vit A supplementation ALONG WITH measles vaccine in these children of Africa and other poorer countries.
surrealistic pillows
(24 posts)An overdose of Vitamin A? Is this a clear and present danger?! But seriously, when you juice you get enzymes too. A bag of organic carrots (1 lb.) costs .99 at Trader Joe's. It yields approximately 8 oz. 🥳
GP6971
(34,548 posts)surrealistic pillows
(24 posts)I recommend an Omega 8006 juicer. Masticating.
littlemissmartypants
(27,183 posts)Is cut, it begins to lose its micronutrient value.
GP6971
(34,548 posts)busting their chops before they got Nuked.
marble falls
(64,714 posts)... eat enough physically to get sick or produce the allegedly "therapeutic" effect RFK Jr claims will fix.
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/vitamin-a-toxicity
it'll kill your ass.
The recommended daily allowance (RDA) for men is 900 MCG REA, or 3,000 international units (IU). For women the RDA is 700 mcg RAE, or 2,330 (IU). For all adults, the Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) the most vitamin A one can take without experiencing negative health effects is 3,000 mcg RAE, or 10,000 IU.
https://www.aarp.org/health/drugs-supplements/info-2024/vitamin-overdose.html
it'll kill your ass unitentionally
1. Vitamin A
Vitamin A is important for vision, the immune system, cell division and more. Most people get sufficient vitamin A, also known as retinol, through diet. According to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), women should consume 700 micrograms of retinol activity equivalents (RAE) per day and men should have 900 mcg RAE.
An excess of vitamin A is absorbed in the body and can build toxicity in the liver. Acute toxicity, called hypervitaminosis A, occurs when a person repeatedly takes a higher dose, more than 4,000 international units (IU) daily over months, which is more than 100 times the recommended dietary allowance, according to the NIH.
You can have some acute symptoms like nausea, vomiting, vertigo, blurry vision, Farrell says. Other symptoms typically include severe headache, aching muscles and coordination problems. In severe cases, too much vitamin A can cause an increase in cerebral spinal fluid pressure, leading to drowsiness and, eventually, coma and even death.
If you have a preexisting liver condition, excess vitamin A is concerning. It can hurt your liver if you already have liver problems, Haggerty says.
Recommended daily amount*
700 mcg for women
900 mcg for men
Emrys
(8,572 posts)Too much vitamin A can make you sick. Taking large doses during pregnancy can cause birth defects.
* Acute vitamin A poisoning occurs quickly. It can happen when an adult takes several hundred thousand international units (IUs) of vitamin A.
* Chronic vitamin A poisoning may occur over time in adults who regularly take more than 25,000 IUs a day.
* Babies and children are more sensitive to vitamin A. They can become sick after taking smaller doses of it. Swallowing products that contain vitamin A, such as skin cream with retinol in it, can also cause vitamin A poisoning.
...
Symptoms
Symptoms may include:
* Abnormal softening of the skull bone (in infants and children)
* Blurred vision
* Bone pain or swelling
* Bulging of the soft spot in an infant's skull (fontanelle)
* Changes in alertness or consciousness
* Decreased appetite
* Dizziness
* Double vision (in young children)
* Drowsiness
* Hair changes, such as hair loss and oily hair
* Headache
* Irritability
* Liver damage
* Nausea and vomiting
* Poor weight gain (in infants and children)
* Skin changes, such as cracking at corners of the mouth, higher sensitivity to sunlight, oily skin, peeling, itching, and yellow color to the skin
* Vision changes
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000350.htm
tanyev
(46,093 posts)She asked a home health care worker (who was not a doctor and not a nurse, just someone that came in to help with physical therapy) about something else that was bothering her and they said, Oh, you should try 10,000 IU of Vitamin A every day.
I did not find out about this until the next time I visited and she was having some hair loss. She was beside herself, didnt know why her hair was falling out. She listed everything she was taking and I got on the internet and when I looked up the Vitamin A, I told her to STOP it immediately. She did, and slowly more hair grew back in, but it never got back to where it had been.
Emrys
(8,572 posts)I imagine the care worker thought they were helping, but they had no business giving that advice. Just because you don't need a prescription doesn't make supplements and herbal remedies necessarily safe.
surrealistic pillows
(24 posts)Vitamin A is fat-soluble and beta carotene is water-soluble. I prefer to let food be my medicine vs. dead, isolated vitamins and minerals.
ShazzieB
(20,218 posts)They won't protect you from infectious diseases, including measles
surrealistic pillows
(24 posts)
ShazzieB
(20,218 posts)
surrealistic pillows
(24 posts)
Just for shits and giggles, I looked up preventing measles with diet. And right away it said Vitamin A-rich foods like carrots, sweet potatoes and spinach. If someone said how do we prevent colds, it wouldn't be outrageous to mention oranges and grapefruit and so I cannot understand why the measles are any different. It's not a disease; it's an illness that typically clears up in a week to 10 days. 🥳
ShazzieB
(20,218 posts)I never said vitamins or vegetables aren't good for people. I just don't think they are a magic cure for anything (except in certain extreme cases like scurvy or pellagra that have been proven to be caused by a severe vitamin deficiency).
I know it's fashionable in some circles to be distrustful of the medical establishment, but I know too much about science to dismiss the amazing strides medicine has made in my lifetime. Including, but not limited to, vaccines for diseases like flu, polio, and measles.
Btw, the definition of disease is "an impairment of the normal state of the living animal or plant body or one of its parts that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions, is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms, and is a response to environmental factors (as malnutrition, industrial hazards, or climate), to specific infective agents (as worms, bacteria, or viruses), to inherent defects of the organism (as genetic anomalies), or to combinations of these factors : sickness, illness" (Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disease#medicalDictionary)
Measles is very definitely a disease, an infectious disease, caused by a virus; its cause, symptoms, signs, etc. are very well-known. It's often pretty mild but is known to lead to serious, even life-threatening complications in some cases. Taking one's chances with it (or any other infectious disease) seems kind of silly to me when there's a safe and widely available vaccine.
I didn't have a choice when it came to measles, because the measles vaccine did not exist when I was a child. Luckily for me, when I caught measles at the age of 7, I had a mild case. Not everyone is that lucky.
Emrys
(8,572 posts)has been PPR'd when they unmasked and went apeshit on another thread.
I'm pretty sure I know who it was. There's a particular repeat troll who is stongly antivaxx.
Emrys
(8,572 posts)by its fluffy tail, pronounced overbite and abnormally long ears.

hatrack
(62,235 posts)

OhioTim
(333 posts)until they need it. Example: Donald Trump when he got Covid and was rushed to the best hospital where he was given cutting edge treatment not available to the masses.
sheshe2
(91,353 posts)picks up road kill and puts it in his freezer. I for one will pass on his 'advice' as we all should.
Robert F Kennedy Jr, recently outed for dumping a dead bear carcass in Central Park a decade ago having intended to skin it and freeze it, told reporters on Wednesday that he had been picking up roadkill my whole life. I have a freezer full of it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/08/rfk-jr-roadkill-freezer

sheshe2
(91,353 posts)Thank you.
GP6971
(34,548 posts)hlthe2b
(109,150 posts)--as I HAVE dealt with this overseas. It IS TRUE that there is a poorer prognosis for measles recovery if you do not ADDITIONALLY supplement vitamin A IN THOSE SPECIFIC POPULATIONS. That is well known to those who have worked in these areas. BUT... IT IS NOT A CURE OR PREVENTION FOR MEASLES.
RFK Jr.'s lack of knowledge is only exceeded by his dramatic arrogance and assumption that he understands what he barely skimmed in terms of "lay person reporting" or certainly anything that approaches peer-reviewed literature.
He clearly heard something about what I just wrote and has once again shown what a moron he is and how damned dangerous to the rest of the world.
marble falls
(64,714 posts)NewHendoLib
(61,096 posts)Paladin
(30,148 posts)...before there's even a remote possibility of RFK jr. pulling his head out of his ass.
A century from now, people will still be astonished that our nation's healthcare was entrusted to this dangerously disturbed individual.
marble falls
(64,714 posts)bucolic_frolic
(49,812 posts)That's what's going on here. Consequences to anyone and anything be damned.
marble falls
(64,714 posts)Sogo
(6,195 posts)nt.
Greybnk48
(10,517 posts)I wonder how many American kids RFK Jr. will kill before he's fired?
Wonder Why
(5,498 posts)cayugafalls
(5,790 posts)We eat brains until they comply so you don't have to...
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i don't need the tag. right?
MontanaMama
(24,373 posts)are denouncing this nonsense. I am grateful for them doing it.
Montauk6
(9,011 posts)Playingmantis
(387 posts)He also said that Vitamin A should be taken with a shot of goats blood warmed over a fire made of dead bats...
So there!
Initech
(104,500 posts)Not surprised RFK Jr is doing something shitty.
PSPS
(14,470 posts)IronLionZion
(48,488 posts)AmericaUnderSiege
(777 posts)Sickening, both literally and figuratively.
RockRaven
(17,136 posts)Vitamin A toxicity/poisoning.
Oh what a good use of our modern medicine resources.
AllyCat
(17,800 posts)Vitamin A toxicity kills. Its not like other vitamins. The water-soluble vitamins and vitamin D can be balanced by the body to some degree. Vitamin A cannot easily be balanced.
This is completely dangerous.
sdfernando
(5,663 posts)You can bet that this will cause some really stupid people to take mega doses of vitamin A. Vitamin A at high doses is TOXIC!!!
Here are the symptoms:
Nausea and vomiting, Diarrhea, Headache, Fatigue, Skin irritation, Hair loss, Bone pain, Joint pain, Blurred vision, and Liver damage.
Chronic Effects:
Osteoporosis (weakening of bones), Fractures, Birth defects in pregnant women, and Increased risk of certain cancers.
bmichaelh
(776 posts)Vitamins take you only so far.
I know this from personal experience. I take vitamins daily.
Around Thanksgiving 2022, I was diagnosed with COVID pneumonia.
My oxygen levels were in the 80s.
Only remdesivir cured me.
My MAGA family tried to brow-beat me in not taking the drug.