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BumRushDaShow

(145,692 posts)
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 03:28 PM Jan 5

Donald Trump Critics Push Plan to Block Him From Taking Power in DC Protest

Source: Newsweek

Published Jan 05, 2025 at 12:42 PM EST | Updated Jan 05, 2025 at 2:04 PM EST


Critics of President-elect Donald Trump have taken to the streets of Washington, D.C., to urge Congress to block him from taking power, citing the 14th Amendment. Trump-Vance Transition spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt said in an emailed statement to Newsweek on Sunday afternoon that "President Trump will serve ALL Americans, even those who did not vote for him in the election. He will unify the country through success." Newsweek reached out to the political movement "14th Now" via email for comment on Sunday.

Why It Matters

Democrats, and others, have continued to rebuke Trump after he refused to accept the results of President Joe Biden's 2020 election victory and tried to stop him from taking office through failed legal efforts. Trump continues to claim the election was stolen from him via widespread voter fraud, despite there being a lack of evidence to support such claims. Trump's alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election results culminated in the U.S. Capitol riot on January 6, 2021, when a mob of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol building in Washington, D.C. in a failed attempt to stop Congress from certifying the election results.

The president-elect faced state and federal charges for his alleged illegal efforts to overturn the 2020 election. However, when he won the 2024 election, the federal case was dismissed without prejudice. A separate Georgia election interference case is currently in limbo as the Prosecuting Attorney's Council of Georgia decides whether to continue litigation. Trump, meanwhile, pleaded not guilty to all charges against him and claimed the cases were politically motivated.

What To Know

An effort is underway to urge Congress through peaceful protest to block Trump from taking office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which states, "No person shall ... hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." A political movement called "14th Now" has been holding protests in Washington, D.C., from Friday to Sunday, gathering at Franklin Park and the Lincoln Memorial. "Donald J. Trump, an adjudicated insurrectionist, remains constitutionally DISQUALIFIED from assuming the presidency under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-protest-14th-now-2009899

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Donald Trump Critics Push Plan to Block Him From Taking Power in DC Protest (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 5 OP
Regardless of what you think of it, Donald's earned it. bucolic_frolic Jan 5 #1
Regardless of what you think of it, the constitution's language, until amended, is clear: ColinC Jan 5 #6
TFG saying he wants to free the J6 rioters is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. OMGWTF Jan 5 #21
Yep. This aside, he has unquestionably given aid and comfort to the enemy, having likely shared classified info ColinC Jan 5 #22
I've thought for a long time the FBI knows what TSF has shared with Putin KS Toronado Jan 5 #44
Yes, they know what he kept and did whatever with... Think. Again. Jan 6 #56
And who got or bought access to all those documents. yorkster Jan 6 #54
Almost EVERYONE who receives a pardon (except Nixon and Hunter Biden AFAIK) has been tried and kelly1mm Jan 6 #53
Is there a conviction for this? Unladen Swallow Jan 5 #26
No. Just several indictments. But that's not a necessary prerequisite ColinC Jan 5 #30
Then who, or what body, makes the determination Unladen Swallow Jan 5 #32
Congress has that authority. ColinC Jan 5 #33
So the people will accept this ruling under the Constitution? Unladen Swallow Jan 5 #40
There is no process. ColinC Jan 5 #42
Exactly correct. 14A was a Reconstruction Era gift to future generations bucolic_frolic Jan 6 #65
they use the term "adjudicated" -- I think from the Colorado Supreme Court ruling cadoman Jan 6 #70
"An effort is underway to urge Congress ..." speak easy Jan 5 #2
Unfortunitly true yankee87 Jan 5 #39
The Picketts Charge theory of politics speak easy Jan 6 #59
Any effort to resist installing a nazi administration is worthwhile. Think. Again. Jan 6 #57
That is what the US Constitution says,... magicarpet Jan 5 #3
.... recording the displeasure of the citizenry,... magicarpet Jan 5 #4
Yes, protests must be strong, courageous, and often. Magoo48 Jan 5 #14
I'm in Palm Springs which is geezerville now that the snowbirds are here (including me). OMGWTF Jan 5 #23
Yup Magoo48 Jan 6 #64
I'm so happy to hear this is happening William Seger Jan 5 #5
Such a load of nonsense. He hasnt been CONVICTED of any of those charges. Period. Callie1979 Jan 5 #7
The Constitution doesn't require a conviction. bucolic_frolic Jan 5 #10
Well, we USED to do a lot of things differently.Yes, the SCOTUS is full of it but thats what we've got. Callie1979 Jan 5 #11
No, it's quite credible.There is legitimacy behind the protests because everyone saw him do it. bucolic_frolic Jan 5 #13
nearly half the voters saw it and voted for him though cadoman Jan 6 #72
The SC didn't rule that TFG was eligible or that the 14th doesn't apply William Seger Jan 5 #15
Thats not going to happen either. Callie1979 Jan 5 #16
True, but the point of the protests is that he could and should be disqualified William Seger Jan 5 #24
Congress already found that he engaged in an insurrection NYC Liberal Jan 5 #34
An argument can be made that it has to fit the definition of a conviction in the Senate Polybius Jan 5 #35
An argument can be made that the amendment means only what it says William Seger Jan 6 #55
The problem with the 14th and many other Amendments is that the wording stinks Polybius Jan 6 #76
That was a previous congress. MichMan Jan 5 #46
There will be instigators in their midst Unladen Swallow Jan 5 #27
Yep, that's to be expected with every Left action. Think. Again. Jan 6 #58
If it was to succeed there would be a civil war anyway MichMan Jan 6 #62
That is a very sobering Unladen Swallow Jan 6 #63
Garland, Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Barrett Clouds Passing Jan 5 #8
Yep; there's the problem. For a LOT of issues. Callie1979 Jan 5 #12
Biggest weather event in the history of DC on multigraincracker Jan 5 #9
how about -50F or an F6 twister? The Madcap Jan 5 #19
I wish Taylor Swift would hold a concert down the street. Callie1979 Jan 5 #25
Protesting now is a little bit too late IzzaNuDay Jan 5 #17
Not really. The constitution is clear. We either honor it, or take another step towards the constitution not mattering ColinC Jan 5 #18
After tomorrow is definitely too late though Polybius Jan 5 #36
Yeah. And i mean... The constitution just needs to be followed. ColinC Jan 6 #51
It is self executing... Dem4life1970 Jan 6 #47
At the very least congress should override the requirement by a 2/3rds vote. ColinC Jan 6 #48
This was a most unusual election in many ways MichMan Jan 6 #52
I heard as lawyer who think's Trump should be disqualified say that he agrees with the CO decision Polybius Jan 6 #75
If they attack the Capitol, maybe Trump will pardon them ... Jarqui Jan 5 #20
Free speech and non-violent protest is what this country is all about. Petitioning of grievances is important always. nt Evolve Dammit Jan 5 #28
If it goes on deaf ears The Grand Illuminist Jan 5 #43
"Critics of President-elect Donald Trump have taken to the streets of Washington, D.C. ..." mahatmakanejeeves Jan 5 #29
There was a little group out there at the Lincoln Memorial BumRushDaShow Jan 5 #31
Isn't that pretty much an everyday occurance? LeftInTX Jan 6 #84
Sure BumRushDaShow Jan 6 #86
President Vance? Jose Garcia Jan 5 #37
I'll take it. Because he won't be able to win over the Trumpers. Republicans in disarray ZonkerHarris Jan 5 #41
As explained, it would be Harris ColinC Jan 6 #49
She only received 226 electoral votes Jose Garcia Jan 6 #66
It is if all or most of Trumps votes are not certified. ColinC Jan 6 #68
If neither candidate receives a majority of electoral votes, Jose Garcia Jan 6 #69
So if he's disqualified, who gets to be President on the 20th? Polybius Jan 5 #38
Harris MichMan Jan 5 #45
The exception being holding a 2/3rds vote to make an exception. ColinC Jan 6 #50
They may admit it if Vance becomes President as a result of Trump's disqualification Polybius Jan 6 #74
That would be a double punch for who the majority of voters elected Polybius Jan 6 #73
I can see the Constitution being locked away into a time vault Aussie105 Jan 6 #60
The 14th also applies to Congress MichMan Jan 6 #61
According to the Constitution, Trump is a traitor: He should be hanged until he is dead, dead, dead. jvill Jan 6 #67
It will take unquestionably devoted courageous people The Grand Illuminist Jan 6 #71
Well it's over. The plan to block him did not work. The election was just certified. totodeinhere Jan 6 #77
What plan? LeftInTX Jan 6 #79
The plan that is the subject of this thread. n/t totodeinhere Jan 6 #81
Yeah.. More like a thought . LeftInTX Jan 6 #83
The 2022 Electoral Count Reform Act, which amended the previous Act(s) BumRushDaShow Jan 6 #80
Yes. Of course Trump's attempted coup was the catalyst behind that law. n/t totodeinhere Jan 6 #82
We screw ourselves a lot by passing laws that we think will help us Polybius Jan 6 #85
Objections, in this case are usually formalities, LeftInTX Jan 6 #87
This aged well!! LeftInTX Jan 6 #78

bucolic_frolic

(48,076 posts)
1. Regardless of what you think of it, Donald's earned it.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 03:30 PM
Jan 5

Turnabout is fair play.

It's not going anywhere, but whatever illegitimacy can be rubbed into Trump, have at it.

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
6. Regardless of what you think of it, the constitution's language, until amended, is clear:
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 03:48 PM
Jan 5
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

OMGWTF

(4,509 posts)
21. TFG saying he wants to free the J6 rioters is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:09 PM
Jan 5

They have already been tried, convicted, and jailed for their crimes against our country.

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
22. Yep. This aside, he has unquestionably given aid and comfort to the enemy, having likely shared classified info
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:11 PM
Jan 5

With Putin, is just one example.

KS Toronado

(20,048 posts)
44. I've thought for a long time the FBI knows what TSF has shared with Putin
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 11:51 PM
Jan 5

Just look at all our top secret agents that disappeared in Russia. Anybody who would allow our
top secret agents to be killed for no more than "brownie points" with Putin does not belong in
the Oval Office, more deserving of a firing squad, you reap what you sow.

Think. Again.

(20,131 posts)
56. Yes, they know what he kept and did whatever with...
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:45 AM
Jan 6

...the classification process catalogues all classified documents. If the archive doesn't have them, he (or any of his co-conspirators) does.

yorkster

(2,608 posts)
54. And who got or bought access to all those documents.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:34 AM
Jan 6

Will we ever find out? Astounding and infuriating that he has gotten away with so much. And he gets Round 2. I can't forgive the Trump voters. Just can't..

kelly1mm

(5,500 posts)
53. Almost EVERYONE who receives a pardon (except Nixon and Hunter Biden AFAIK) has been tried and
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:28 AM
Jan 6

convicted for their crimes against our country, no?

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
30. No. Just several indictments. But that's not a necessary prerequisite
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:46 PM
Jan 5

As far as trying to overthrow the government or granting aid and comfort tot he enemy.

 

Unladen Swallow

(491 posts)
32. Then who, or what body, makes the determination
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 07:25 PM
Jan 5

they he committed the offense and enforces the law?

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
33. Congress has that authority.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 07:36 PM
Jan 5

Several states have also made this determination. US attorneys and the DOJ via their prosecutions, also have.

 

Unladen Swallow

(491 posts)
40. So the people will accept this ruling under the Constitution?
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 10:04 PM
Jan 5

Or does SCOTUS get involved and do it formally? I am unaware of the process.

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
42. There is no process.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 10:26 PM
Jan 5

It's either a rule that is enforced by a constitutional body or not. Meaning our constitutional bodies either allow him to become president or they don't. Congress, as the body that certifies results, has this authority.

bucolic_frolic

(48,076 posts)
65. Exactly correct. 14A was a Reconstruction Era gift to future generations
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:43 AM
Jan 6

to prevent the ascension of traitors to political power. The rules were broad but clear, and enforceable by Congress by 2/3 vote. SCOTUS thinks they scuttled the mechanism, but the language is plain as day. Getting anyone to listen to it is another matter. It's almost like a mini, lightning impeachment for insurrectionists. That's why Republicans are trying to whitewash it all so fast.

cadoman

(1,034 posts)
70. they use the term "adjudicated" -- I think from the Colorado Supreme Court ruling
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 09:29 AM
Jan 6

So there's something there. Didn't Raskin seem to think it was pursuable?

yankee87

(2,445 posts)
39. Unfortunitly true
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 09:21 PM
Jan 5

Democrats should make this an issue, but no one in party wants to play in the mud. We need to stop bringing a water gun to a bazooka fight.

magicarpet

(17,322 posts)
4. .... recording the displeasure of the citizenry,...
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 03:41 PM
Jan 5

.... is an important entry for the history books. Not all thought trDUMP 2.0 was a good idea because of the damage djt would inflict on America.

Magoo48

(5,670 posts)
14. Yes, protests must be strong, courageous, and often.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 04:53 PM
Jan 5

Respect to everyone involved. I will be involved when it’s our time here in geezerville, SoCal.
Resist in every peaceful way possible, and demand our Congress Critters do the same with volume and enthusiasm.

OMGWTF

(4,509 posts)
23. I'm in Palm Springs which is geezerville now that the snowbirds are here (including me).
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:13 PM
Jan 5

William Seger

(11,192 posts)
5. I'm so happy to hear this is happening
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 03:44 PM
Jan 5

What the MFer did must never be normalized -- we need to hit them with this at every opportunity, before and after the coronation. Every time His Magasty the Burger King fucks people over, we need to remind them that he shouldn't be in that office in the first place.

Callie1979

(453 posts)
7. Such a load of nonsense. He hasnt been CONVICTED of any of those charges. Period.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 03:57 PM
Jan 5

These people are just going to look like a less violent form of the Jan 6th rioters.
Plus, the SCOTUS already ruled on this back during the ballot removal cases.
He's taking office. Now we focus on stopping his stupid agenda & winning the House in '26

bucolic_frolic

(48,076 posts)
10. The Constitution doesn't require a conviction.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 04:07 PM
Jan 5

In fact, during the Reconstruction era, it was common for the Army of Occupation Administrators for various political districts to exclude candidates from the ballot and for the US Senate, the US House to either prevent candidates from taking their seats, or lumping them together in an up or down vote. This occurred until about 1905.

Clearly 14A gave clear sailing to prevent insurrectionists and those in rebellion against the USA to be excluded by whatever means a succeeding generation created within the Amendment. SCOTUS trying to toss 14A Section 3 is crazy.

Callie1979

(453 posts)
11. Well, we USED to do a lot of things differently.Yes, the SCOTUS is full of it but thats what we've got.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 04:13 PM
Jan 5

Our standard today is that you need to be convicted of something, None of this will stop it.
We had 2 years to charge & convict this moron & didnt do it. He's taking office. And all the carnival antics will look at dumb as it did in 2017

bucolic_frolic

(48,076 posts)
13. No, it's quite credible.There is legitimacy behind the protests because everyone saw him do it.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 04:15 PM
Jan 5

Can't unsee, even if SCOTUS wears blinders.

cadoman

(1,034 posts)
72. nearly half the voters saw it and voted for him though
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 09:53 AM
Jan 6

Are the circumstances such that we should go to the extreme of overturning an election result?

If we play this card, we have to anticipate how the other team will play it in the future. It could get very un-democratic...

Biden & Harris are signaling peaceful transfer. Raskin & Schiff are signaling to use any legal means possible to block him. The voters have signaled that at best they're split on the matter.

William Seger

(11,192 posts)
15. The SC didn't rule that TFG was eligible or that the 14th doesn't apply
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 05:11 PM
Jan 5

They ruled that a state (Colorado) doesn't have the authority to exclude him from a ballot -- that the U.S. Congress needed to enforce the 14th. And that's exactly what these protesters are asking for.

William Seger

(11,192 posts)
24. True, but the point of the protests is that he could and should be disqualified
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:15 PM
Jan 5

... lest anyone forget that.

NYC Liberal

(20,364 posts)
34. Congress already found that he engaged in an insurrection
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 08:42 PM
Jan 5

during his second impeachment. The charge was inciting insurrection and a majority of both houses found that he did so.

SCOTUS says Congress needs to vote onit. Well, they already have. Too bad SCOTUS is nakedly partisan.

Polybius

(18,811 posts)
35. An argument can be made that it has to fit the definition of a conviction in the Senate
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 09:09 PM
Jan 5

Which is 67 votes.

William Seger

(11,192 posts)
55. An argument can be made that the amendment means only what it says
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:44 AM
Jan 6

... and if the intent was that a conviction of any kind was required, it could have said exactly that with very few words.

Polybius

(18,811 posts)
76. The problem with the 14th and many other Amendments is that the wording stinks
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:37 PM
Jan 6

It should have said those convicted of sedition.

 

Unladen Swallow

(491 posts)
27. There will be instigators in their midst
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:38 PM
Jan 5

who will try to get it to go violent. And they may very well succeed.

The Madcap

(778 posts)
19. how about -50F or an F6 twister?
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 05:54 PM
Jan 5

I'd settle for a cold rain with wind. Of course, T**** would just make them do the inauguration indoors since he doesn't want to get his makeup wet.

Callie1979

(453 posts)
25. I wish Taylor Swift would hold a concert down the street.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:34 PM
Jan 5

How fucking embarrassing THAT would be for trump when she outdrew him by 10s of THOUSANDS

IzzaNuDay

(782 posts)
17. Protesting now is a little bit too late
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 05:43 PM
Jan 5

The protesting opportunity was the November 5, 2024 general election. And that failed, so here we are.

I think at this point going to the streets is too late. Best to try influencing Congress to push back on the felon’s bullcrap actions. We also need to turn Congress around in 2026, that is, if we are allowed to vote again!

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
18. Not really. The constitution is clear. We either honor it, or take another step towards the constitution not mattering
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 05:47 PM
Jan 5
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Polybius

(18,811 posts)
36. After tomorrow is definitely too late though
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 09:11 PM
Jan 5

Tomorrow is January 6th, when Congress certifies the election.

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
51. Yeah. And i mean... The constitution just needs to be followed.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:26 AM
Jan 6

Trump is inarguably an insurrectionist. Either they do not certify him, or they remove the disability by a 2/3rds vote per the constitution. Not following the constitution will just create more ways in which Trump and others can skirt it in the future.

Dem4life1970

(652 posts)
47. It is self executing...
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:15 AM
Jan 6

...it's too bad that SCROTUS ruled against Colorado, then 5 of them (Barrett disagreed/or voted and then wrote a dissent, if I remember right) turned around and pulled out of thin air the congressional requirement to enforce the 14th Amendment, Section 3.

If anything, they should've highlighted that they did NOT disagree with the Colorado Supreme Court's finding and the lower courts finding that he did engage in insurrection. They should've said he can be on the ballot, but he would not be allowed to take office according to the 14th amendment.

However, it is better for Democrats and the country if T**** is sworn in as the lamest of lame ducks, instead of Vance who could run again in 2028. I hope by 2026 the GOP is polling just above a plugged toilet in time for the midterms.

It is hard for a VP to run and win after a President's term. Only George HW Bush (and Biden-although he put a 4 year gap in there) have done so over the last 100 years or so.

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
48. At the very least congress should override the requirement by a 2/3rds vote.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:19 AM
Jan 6

And if they cannot pass that threshold, he cannot be president.

MichMan

(13,843 posts)
52. This was a most unusual election in many ways
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:28 AM
Jan 6
"It is hard for a VP to run and win after a President's term. Only George HW Bush (and Biden-although he put a 4 year gap in there) have done so over the last 100 years or so."

The odds were against Harris winning based on historical precedent.

Only once previously (Grover Cleveland) has a former president been defeated after their first term and then run again four years later.

I believe that the only two incumbent presidents that have declined to run again for a second term were LBJ and Biden. In both cases, their sitting VP lost.

Polybius

(18,811 posts)
75. I heard as lawyer who think's Trump should be disqualified say that he agrees with the CO decision
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:35 PM
Jan 6

Why? Because the 14th says nothing about being on state ballots, only that he can't take office. Maybe that's why that part of the ruling was 9-0.

Jarqui

(10,536 posts)
20. If they attack the Capitol, maybe Trump will pardon them ...
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:05 PM
Jan 5

This whole situation with Trump is bonkers

Evolve Dammit

(19,473 posts)
28. Free speech and non-violent protest is what this country is all about. Petitioning of grievances is important always. nt
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:40 PM
Jan 5

BumRushDaShow

(145,692 posts)
86. Sure
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 04:43 PM
Jan 6

although that group was explicitly protesting 45 and the need to use the 14th Amendment Sect. 3.

We know invoking that Amendment/section actually worked for booting good old Couy Griffin in NM (at least for the state) and the SCOTUS actually upheld it. But it seems it would be an impossible hurdle to apply to 45 because of a bunch of nonsensical insistence that the President wasn't "an officer of the government" or some other such assertion.

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
49. As explained, it would be Harris
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:22 AM
Jan 6

All valid votes would be counted. Votes for an insurrectionist are not valid per the 14th amendment.

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
68. It is if all or most of Trumps votes are not certified.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:14 AM
Jan 6

Congress has the authority to not certify his electoral votes.

Jose Garcia

(3,004 posts)
69. If neither candidate receives a majority of electoral votes,
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:56 AM
Jan 6

it goes to the House of Representatives, where each state is given one vote.

Polybius

(18,811 posts)
38. So if he's disqualified, who gets to be President on the 20th?
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 09:14 PM
Jan 5

Vance or Harris? That's a whole new argument.

MichMan

(13,843 posts)
45. Harris
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 11:54 PM
Jan 5

They are saying that Congress must, per the Constitution, follow the 14th amendment and refuse to count any of the electors votes for Trump, thus leaving Harris as the next president

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
50. The exception being holding a 2/3rds vote to make an exception.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:23 AM
Jan 6

Which is totally a viable thing but would require Republicans to admit Trump is an insurrectionist...

Polybius

(18,811 posts)
74. They may admit it if Vance becomes President as a result of Trump's disqualification
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:32 PM
Jan 6

No way would any if Harris becomes President.

Polybius

(18,811 posts)
73. That would be a double punch for who the majority of voters elected
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:30 PM
Jan 6

So not only take away their choice, but give it to who they voted against? I think the there would be unprecedented mass riots over that, and it would legit cause the government to collapse and install Trump anyway to the new country.

Aussie105

(6,586 posts)
60. I can see the Constitution being locked away into a time vault
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 02:10 AM
Jan 6

with a 4 year lock on it, and a note 'not valid until opened' attached to the door.

If due process was followed, if there was a real drive and motivation to do so, Trump would be in jail right now.

The go slow and hummin' and hawwin' is just so Trump can move into the White House and slam that time vault shut.

Sorry. Don't get your hopes up. Dark ages coming up.
Don't expect the world to make sense for the next 4 years.

MichMan

(13,843 posts)
61. The 14th also applies to Congress
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 02:11 AM
Jan 6

After Congress disqualifies Trump, they can then disqualify any member of Congress that doesn't vote to disqualify Trump, as also being part of an insurrection. Wipe both the House and Senate of all Republicans in one fell swoop, other than the few that go along with it to save their own jobs.

 

jvill

(459 posts)
67. According to the Constitution, Trump is a traitor: He should be hanged until he is dead, dead, dead.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:02 AM
Jan 6

...

The Grand Illuminist

(1,729 posts)
71. It will take unquestionably devoted courageous people
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 09:35 AM
Jan 6

To force true principle over the lawless populous. People of sacrifice and unbridled support for the greater good.

BumRushDaShow

(145,692 posts)
80. The 2022 Electoral Count Reform Act, which amended the previous Act(s)
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 02:46 PM
Jan 6

made it much more difficult to "object" to a certification.

Polybius

(18,811 posts)
85. We screw ourselves a lot by passing laws that we think will help us
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 04:43 PM
Jan 6

This and the 22nd come to mind.

LeftInTX

(31,583 posts)
87. Objections, in this case are usually formalities,
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:11 PM
Jan 6

worthwhile to hear and make "good theater".

I support the new law. It now requires objections be written in advance, then receive a 20% approval before being brought to the floor. This assures that the agenda does not get derailed by everyone airing a greivance.
I think this is fair.

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