Israel considering limiting humanitarian aid to Gaza after Trump's inauguration
Source: CNN World
Published 6:44 AM EST, Sat January 4, 2025
CNN — Israel is considering limiting humanitarian aid to Gaza after Donald Trump comes into office later this month in a bid to deprive Hamas of resources, according to an Israeli official familiar with the matter. Since October 7, Israel has been waging war in Gaza trying to dismantle Hamas militarily, but says the militants retain governing capacity through seizing aid.
Such a move risks exacerbating an already dire humanitarian situation. “The humanitarian aid is not reaching the right hands,” the official said, who added it was one of “several” options currently being considered. Relief organizations have consistently called for an increase in the amount of humanitarian aid allowed into the besieged strip, warning for months of the rising risk of famine for civilians.
The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said in an update on Tuesday that only 2,205 aid trucks had entered Gaza in the month of December, excluding commercial vehicles and fuel.
Israel disputed that number, saying there is no limit on the amount of aid that can enter Gaza and that over 5,000 trucks had entered over the course of the month, according to a statement from the Coordination of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), which manages the flow of aid into the strip.
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/04/middleeast/israel-gaza-aid-limits-trump-intl/index.html
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claudette
(4,715 posts)about right. Two peas in a pod......
Autumn
(46,748 posts)None of it good.
brush
(58,180 posts)magicarpet
(17,136 posts)FAFO - You get what you vote for. Buckle up,... four years of this shit coming your way. Bye bye Gaza,... bye bye West Bank,... hello Golan Heights - the Jewish settlers now confiscate all this land. It all now belongs to Israel. A gift to Netanyahu - on a silver platter - from don-OLD DUMP.
With more guns, more bullets, more bombs, more missiles, and more military hardware as a gift to Israel from Uncle Sam.
Richard D
(9,478 posts). . . for example, President Biden just authorized the sale of 8 billion dollars worth of weapons to fight Islamist terrorists.
Do you disagree with Biden?
sinkingfeeling
(53,378 posts)brush
(58,180 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:56 AM - Edit history (1)
helped his re-election bid. It's not written in stone somewhere that the US has to help Netanyahu's warmongering.
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)brush
(58,180 posts)may have went to Biden and swung that swing state to Biden.
On that topic, I refuse to believe that trump won all the swing states. IMO the rethugs, with disinformation, Musk's money and it's ability to manipulate votes, have figured out how to win the swing states, and thus the presidential elections.
Again, there's no arguing that Netanyahu is a warmonger.
paleotn
(19,632 posts)The voice of reason from DC vanishes when Biden leaves. And isn't it Bibi's unspoken policy to make Palestinians disappear? Certainly is among his religo-nut co-conspirators. Hamas stupidly gave them an excuse to do what they've always wanted to do. Make Palestinians go away permanently one way or another.
Scrivener7
(53,346 posts)That's for the magats. Not us.
iemanja
(55,000 posts)Islamists support Islamic fundamentalism.
drmeow
(5,348 posts)Aren't they already interfering with humanitarian aid to Gaza? Shouldn't this be "Israel excited about the prospect of a lack of consequences for their continued interference with humanitarian aid to Gaza by simply officially limiting it since Trump will let them (not that there have been any real repercussions to date)"?
Richard D
(9,478 posts). . . is almost instantly snatched up by Hamas for their own use and to sell at a very inflated cost to the citizens of Gaza.
Do ya'll approve of that?
Lonestarblue
(12,002 posts)NickB79
(19,691 posts)Only to then be accused of shooting civilians. There have been several of those posts here at DU over the past year.
Other than using military force against the gangs, what else do you propose the IDF do?
Richard D
(9,478 posts). . . is why the world is allowing Hamas to starve and cause death to the people of Gaza?
Unladen Swallow
(319 posts)AloeVera
(2,093 posts)I was once a victim of a malignant narcissist/ sociopath. Wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, if I had any.
So I am very attuned to gaslighting. Even laughable and absurd attempts at it.
Richard D
(9,478 posts). . . than stop doing it.
I thought you blocked me? Couldn't stay away?
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)Sometimes I need the laugh when I recognize the tactics. DARVO too, I see.
Richard D
(9,478 posts). . . Please direct all future comments and replies towards me in iambic pentameter in the style of William Shakespeare.
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)Nt
Eko
(8,679 posts)Complaining about how bad the thing you broke is and blaming it on other people is a bad look.
paleotn
(19,632 posts)They're letting other Palestinians do the work for them.
Richard D
(9,478 posts). . . or your imagination?
Can you define "unstated policy," please?
paleotn
(19,632 posts)A collection of extremists and orthodox nutters. Simply put, they think the "sandbox" is theirs. All of it. Arabs and pretty much anyone who disagrees with them should get the hell out. Sounds kind of familiar.
https://jstreet.org/netanyahus-ultra-right-wing-coalition-government-a-dossier/
https://www.mei.edu/publications/mainstreaming-israeli-extremism
Biden doesn't like them very much. I agree with Biden. Don't you?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-66153156
Here's a real peach. Israel’s national security minister. And a few other rather nasty characters.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/08/cant-you-kill-some-netanyahus-political-survival-in-hands-of-far-right
And Ben- Gvir's political party, Otzma Yehudit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otzma_Yehudit
Oh! And they don't like LGBTQ people either. Or women who choose not to be baby factories. Nice bunch you're aligning with.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63780509
I could go on and on, but I think you get the point. Put simply, Israel has the right to defend itself. It doesn't have a right to take over the whole sandbox by force. Other people live there too. An unfortunate fact for Zionists, but that's the reality of it. Making them go away by settlement expansion or simply starving them isn't what civilized nations do. If you want to support that, well, I guess that's up to you. I stopped when it went a few light years too far.
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)and you can easily see why Israel is so uncooperative in accommodating their wishes.
And then, there are numerous statements by Hamas leaders looking forward to "martyring" as many Gazan civilians as possible. With "freedom fighters like these", who needs Zionists?
Is this what you meant by "other Palestinians do(ing) the work for them."?
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)If they were, the hostages would be home, the terrorists would be disarmed, and the aid to Gazan civilians would be going to the Gazan civilians and not the terrorist gangs.
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)Operating right under the noses of the bemused and complicit IDF? Yes, the gangs and clans do it for money and because they are allowed to. Israel wants Gaza to be run by these clans - you might have heard about that.
Or do you mean the looting that occurs after the IDF have killed the hired security personnel?
Do you approve of all that?
Richard D
(9,478 posts). . . Need I say more?
Didn't you block me? Couldn't stay away?
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)Can't resist your charms...
Richard D
(9,478 posts)... I always look forward to seeing your posts.
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)Do they have any idea they are Israel approved?
Is Hamas approved by Israel to steal humanitarian supplies? They are still in control of this racket, only not as much as they used to be.
Oh, and remind me, do you recall who it was that mentioned gaslighting rather recently?
Didn’t hear anything about that. Any reliable sources?
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1702285314-caught-on-camera-hamas-terrorists-steal-humanitarian-aid-beat-civilians
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099
https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/04/22/fatah-hamas-kills-aid-workers-and-steals-food-for-itself/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/humanitarian-trucks-stolen-by-hamas-looted-by-civilians-after-they-enter-gaza-from-egypt/
And it's been going on since before the war.
iemanja
(55,000 posts)And ensuring they have no access to medical care?
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)sinkingfeeling
(53,378 posts)brush
(58,180 posts)As Abe Lincoln once said: "You can fool some of the people all time...".
I don't think I need to go on.
nowforever
(413 posts)Revenge driven by hate is unquenchable. What's happening is beyond genocide it's cruelty
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)Doesn't matter. Whether it's only 15% of pre-war levels or 33% - either way, it's bad, no? Surely no one thinks it's enough.
Even that doesn't paint the full picture - before the war, humanitarian aid was largely supplemented by commercial goods allowed to enter. That ceased or was greatly reduced a long time ago. So the shortfall is much, much greater than simply counting the number of humanitarian-aid trucks.
Surely everyone wants to see a solution. The most obvious one to me, is the minimum required by international law: deconflicted humanitarian zones where the IDF provides protection for the trucks and the distribution centres. Surely, that is not insurmountable. The IDF controls the whole strip. There are no more buildings to bomb, hospitals to raid etc - that should free up some resources.
There are many other solutions of course. The trucks are being attacked by criminal gangs led by Israel-approved clans, right under the noses of the IDF who turn a blind eye. On the other hand, security forces hired by aid agencies are shot at and sometimes killed. I'm sure there are a few Hamas members also attacking trucks - how they are able to do that with the IDF watching is beyond me. But they are not the ones committing large-scale, planned attacks like the clans are.
Bottom line is that no one would be able to attack and loot the trucks if Israel did not allow them to. Or was serious about wanting the aid to reach people.
Along with the destruction and banning of the biggest aid agency, UNRWA - it's hard not to come to the conclusion that this is what Israel planned all along. That this is genocidal.
Surely people don't agree with doing this to Palestinians. Would not accept Israel's long list of excuses by suspending their critical thinking. Or questionably "bemoan" what Trump will do, as if we have not all already witnessed and been complicit in the most horrific thing most people have ever seen.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,471 posts)AloeVera
(2,093 posts)Lots of mentions in this thread about oh no! what Trump will do!
I wanted to address that bit of...let's call it cognitive dissonance? I'm being nice...
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,471 posts)AloeVera
(2,093 posts)COGAT is the acronym for the Israeli agency responsible for coordinating aid to Gaza. I was dissing it, not you!
In fact I thought it was brilliant what you said. Analysis of the utterings of COGAT could be used in a cognitive assessment test, at least as far as the ability to detect lies.
So no disrespect towards you intended!
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,471 posts)So, I WAS stupid for not reading the OP and thread more carefully. You are right, it is explained.
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)
no_hypocrisy
(49,352 posts)Gazans/Palestinians are dying now of starvation, thirst, and lack of medical care.
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)There are not enough walls to bang my head against.
paleotn
(19,632 posts)Full on genocide and deportation of whoever's left by year end. Due in great part to some Americans being all pissed at Biden for not being able to thread that almost impossible geo-political needle fast enough. Now it's a factor of 10 worse. Good job, idiots.
I guess they just can't grasp one of reality's basic scenarios. Many humans can't. This one being....You can have either bad with the hope of improvement, or you can have exponentially worse. Good is off the table unfortunately. They stupidly chose exponentially worse. 
paleotn
(19,632 posts) 
ZonkerHarris
(25,487 posts)idiots.
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)You might have noticed what's been done in Gaza already.
ZonkerHarris
(25,487 posts)Eat up!
Enjoy!
You won so this is your spoils!
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)Ugh.
Do the Palestinians themselves factor in at all to your schadenfreud?
Ugh.
ZonkerHarris
(25,487 posts)I'm just a white male who wanted to stop the genocide being committed by Israel.
I have now washed my hands of it since they got what they wanted by dumping Biden/Harris.
Let's see how they all vote in a few years.
If we are allowed to vote.
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)I don't know how that works. Especially since it wasn't the genocided people of Gaza who voted. Nor did the Muslim vote elect Trump.
Perhaps you could explain it to me.
ZonkerHarris
(25,487 posts)They are not the only folks in distress I'm done with for now.
I'm all for everyone reaping what they have sown here.
https://democraticunderground.com/100219842074
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)Palestinians make up a small portion of Arab-Muslim Americans.
We can agree to disagree then. I don't believe in collective punishment, whether of Muslims, Arabs or Americans, even for the stupidity of a minority of their group.
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)Lebanese muslims fucked over the Palestinians.
Just to be fair, all the idiots who were and still are waiving Hamas flags and calling for global intifada aren't Palestinians either. Or Muslims.
In fact, Gazan civilians have nothing to do with them, or the various choruses of performative outrage all over the Internets.
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)Wild, eh?
Who knew that - by your logic- the Christians effed over the Palestinians (and elected Trump to boot)?
Crazy world when a perfectly good opportunity to demonize Muslims goes to waste - sadly defeated by facts. Sigh.
https://news.umich.edu/u-m-detroit-arab-american-study-portrays-a-complex-population/#:~:text=%22The%20majority%20of%20this%20population,the%20future%20of%20their%20families.
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)This is the title of your post 49, remember?
And now you are telling me that most of those Muslims are... Christian?
When did they all have the time to convert, and how come nobody noticed it until you brought it up?
Let me guess... gaslighting and pretzels.
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)I gather you didn't bother to read the demographics study I attached?:I just stumbled on it as I suddenly remembered reading somewhere that most Arabs in Michigan were Lebanese and I needed verification. I was shocked to see the majority are Christians.
I don't do gaslighting. You might know that I'm a survivor of narcissistic abuse. Probably where my drive for justice and honesty was honed.
Let's end the toxic exchanges.
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)I didn't address it. What I addressed was what you are now trying to deflect from: your two mutually exclusive statements about who voted for Trump in Michigan. The Muslims that oddly turned into Christians as your storyline seamlessly progressed from one absurdity to another.
Whether or not you do gaslighting, justice or honesty is more evident in your posts than in your allusions, and I will leave it at that.
As far as toxicity, it is all at your discretion. For my part, I would like to remind you of my promise to challenge you accordingly, and I keep my promises.
But you can always put me on ignore again.
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)I was honest about myself. I extended an olive branch.
I explained that I just now learned about the Christian issue. Which means it is new information, learned subsequent to my previous post.
You ignore my honest explanation and continue to slur my character in your usual mocking tone.
Of course this new information doesn't fit your narrative so you ignore it and go on a personal attack instead.
I tried. Not interested in any further dishonest exchanges from you.
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)It is your posts that I am responding to. So look to your posts, and not your character, for the explanation of what prompts such abrasive responses, and not just from me.
I tried to explain it to you on numerous occasions. All in vain. It is the disinformation in your posts, cloaked in faux moral outrage which permits you to deflect from the facts, and instead elicit a Pavlovian reaction using a rather limited number of trigger words and phrases. Any subsequent challenge to your claims can then be met with accusations of libel, dishonesty, inhumanity, personal attacks, complicity with all kinds of unspeakable nonsense, all without the slightest need or inclination for fact-checking.
I made you a promise to challenge you, whether you like it or not, and I kept it. What is there to figure out?
Not that I don't welcome you learning something new. I do.
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)Everyone kept saying, "Their families are dying". I'm like, "They're Lebanese". Additionally many protesters weren't ME.
Religion is a bit secondary however. Lots of Lebanese Christians from Detroit: Danny Thomas is one. Marlo Thomas is another one.
Casey Kasem was Druze.
When I was young, the community was probably 70% Christian. The study is 20 years old.
Heck even Omar Sharif was Christian: His real name was Michel.
Most of the protesting is due to dislike of Israel
Prior to this big war with Israel, Lebanon treated their Palestinian refugees much worse than Israel treated Palestinians.
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)And of course it's dislike of Israel. They have a reason or two, whether Lebanese or Palestinians. YMMV
I wanted to bring the religion to people's attention as I've seen so much Muslim-bashing around here since the election especially.
But somehow I have this inkling we won't be hearing much about those "stupid" "moron" Christian Lebanese that voted against their own interests and apparently single-handedly elected Trump.
paleotn
(19,632 posts)ZonkerHarris
(25,487 posts)That was their point, right?
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)They wanted to prove that they could "influence elections" and that they "had power".
ZonkerHarris
(25,487 posts)and they can enjoy their already expired Power but they are not a part of my coalition anymore.
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)Sure the people in Gaza, but the guys here? Not their problem.
ZonkerHarris
(25,487 posts)LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)Then, the election after that, they will push again. It's a way of bargaining. They literally said, "At least they can't ignore us" (or something to that effect) And by "they", they mean both sides.
The Arab Israelis are literally responsible for putting Bibi in power in 1996. They wanted to teach Shimon Peres a lesson. So they boycotted the election and Bibi won by a hair. Look at all the grief. But, they also see it as "they determined the outcome of an election".
ZonkerHarris
(25,487 posts)The hurt is on the shoulders of all these type of folks who bailed on the Dems this time.
Fuck em all.
totodeinhere
(13,381 posts)OMGWTF
(4,497 posts)
Mosby
(17,702 posts)Who was the President/PM?
Deuxcents
(20,276 posts)Palestine is recognized by 146 out of 193 UN Members. The UN website has the history of Palestine and it’s very helpful since most have only heard of Gaza or the West Bank. Palestine had a thriving economy and trade deals before occupation. I’m old enough to remember that Palestine was Palestine and was addressed as such.
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)Israel, for all legal purposes, occupied Jordanian land, which Jordan disengaged from in 1988. Until then, West Bank Palestinians were Jordanian citizens. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_annexation_of_the_West_Bank). This is the year that PLO, formally declared the establishment of a State of Palestine, for the first time EVER, without exercising control over any land.
Stating that the State of Palestine has ever been occupied is therefore ridiculous. The best one can argue for is that the Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza have been under occupation since 1967.
I doubt very much that you are old enough to remember the State of Palestine. The only reference you may find to it is in the 1947 proposal to partition Mandatory Palestine into the Jewish state and an Arab state. And we all know who rejected it.
Deuxcents
(20,276 posts)Many exchanges of occupation by many empires or tribes or however you want to describe the conquers. I usually stay out of this conversation because there are experts like yourself who like to let us know that you know pretty much everything and at times belittle others opinions. I’m 77 years old and yes, I do remember when Palestine was referred to as Palestine. That was the jest of my post as I did not give an opinion on the subject
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)Which doesn't jive with the history of the State of Palestine, whatever form it may have taken since it was first declared by PLO in 1988.
No matter how old you are, you cannot possibly remember the state of Palestine being referred to prior to 1988.
Oh, and whatever you are referring to, it HAS been occupied before 1967. By Jordan and Egypt.
Deuxcents
(20,276 posts)And I’ve read too many of these and I don’t like the tactics. You seem to know everything including what I can n can’t remember so I’ll wish for you a happy new year n leave you to your expertise.
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)Which is patently false. There was no State of Palestine declared until 1988.
Now you are selectively editing your own post.
I don't like this tactic either.
You cannot possibly remember what didn't happen. It's an existential impossibility, completely independent of what I know and what you remember.
LetMyPeopleVote
(155,906 posts)Donald Trump has a message for voters who disapprove of President Joe Biden’s Israel/Gaza policy from the left: The Republican intends to be vastly worse.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-hardline-position-us-policy-gaza-matters-rcna150391
The Biden White House, for example, acknowledged this week that it is, as the Associated Press reported, “weighing measures to help Palestinians living in the United States who want to bring family from the war-torn region.”
Soon after, as Reuters reported, the presumptive GOP nominee shared his thoughts on the subject at a campaign rally.
“Your towns and villages will now be accepting people from Gaza and various other places,” Trump said, eliciting boos from the crowd. “Under no circumstances shall we bring thousands of refugees.” Last week, Trump described the pro-Palestinian protests as driven by “tremendous hate” while asserting that the violence at a 2017 white nationalist rally with some Trump supporters in Charlottesville, Virginia, when he was president was small by comparison.
Note, at one of his campaign events yesterday, Trump appeared to goad his followers in Wisconsin into booing Palestinian refugees.
Link to tweet
At the same event, the former president also vowed to restore and expand the Muslim ban he imposed during his first term......
The former president also endorsed ongoing Israeli military operations, saying, “We have to let Israel complete their war on terror. It’s a horrible thing, but they have to do it.” Trump added that Israel must “clean out the cancer.”
Let’s also not forget a New York Times report from March that said top members of Trump’s team want to expel Palestinians from Gaza.
It’s as if the Republican is going out of his way to alienate voters who, given their frustrations with Biden’s policy, might be inclined to give Trump a second look.
TFG will bring back the Muslim ban, give Bibi free reign to bomb and destroy Gaza and expel Palestinians from Gaza so that Jared can build his resorts.
Cha
(305,924 posts)the Nasty Traitor to Punish Dems are Finding Out what their Stupidity actually Accomplished. 
Oopsie Daisy
(4,585 posts)* ... in the very near future, we'll be able to ask "How's that workin-out-for-ya?" and "I'll bet the idea of having a President Harris is sounding pretty good now, eh?"
Idiots. They're just as stupid as the anti-Hillary crowd was... giving us Trump in the first place.
Fuck 'em all.
Cha
(305,924 posts)
LetMyPeopleVote
(155,906 posts)Bibi refused to do a cease fire in the hope that trump would be elected and after that election, Bibi would be free to do what he wanted to do to Gaza
ZRB
(250 posts)And the pro-Pal crowd, which I find...interesting.
Oopsie Daisy
(4,585 posts)Good observation.
NotHardly
(1,422 posts)Cha
(305,924 posts)And, Fuck those who voted for TSF to "teach the Dems a Lesson"
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)Shouldn't the focus and condemnation be on this unthinkably cruel proposal by Israel?
Instead, some distract to Trump and blame Arab Americans who did not cast the deciding votes by any means. Without a word of condemnation of Israel.
Sure, we have little power now to change what comes, but we don't have to give tacit support in advance, do we? Bending the knee in advance.
Silence is complicity.
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)that this is victim blaming.
A few posts towards the top, and you will find yourself stating that most of Michigan Muslims are Lebanese.
And they are victims... how?
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)Those contorted positions must get pretty uncomfortable though...you should give it a rest. For the sake of your health!
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)And don't forget gaslighting. It is definitely gaslighting. Because you didn't contradict yourself, and I am showing exactly where you did.
I can't believe how contorted this is. And I am touched by your concern for my health. I am sure you mean it.
ZRB
(250 posts)Hamas is stealing the aid. It isn't getting to the people because of their own lousy government. Israel is right to stop wasting aid if Hamas is just going to steal it.
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 5, 2025, 08:27 PM - Edit history (1)
Israel claims the looters are Hamas. But there is tons of evidence - if you care to look - that that is not true. Nor does it make logical sense for Hamas to be looting right under the noses of the IDF and expose themselves to being killed.
As I've said in my Post # 14 in this thread, all evidence points to the looters being organized, armed criminal gangs and powerful families or "clans", some with their own militias. The situation has deteriorated into chaos and violence and retribution. Why did it come to this?
First UNRWA was knee-capped. Their expertise and infrastructure was crucial in delivering aid. Then, since the fall, Israel drastically reduced aid allowed in to a trickle - less than a tenth of pre-war levels. Then, after taking control of the Philadelphi corridor, Israel closed the Rafah crossing and re-routed trucks to Israeli crossings, where severe restrictions were imposed. Then Israel began killing the policemen guarding the trucks - claiming that they were Hamas. It bombed or destroyed aid distribution centres closest to the crossings - thus ensuring that aid trucks would have to make long and perilous treks to distribution centres.
So, as the starvation and need deepened, criminal gangs and clans took advantage of the situation. It's interesting that most of the looting takes place in areas that the IDF controls and that are witnessed by drones if not by IDF personnel. As one UN official said, he had seen armed looters within "spitting distance of an Israeli tank". Why doesn't the IDF stop it? Here is an eye-opening take by the head of the private transportation association in Gaza. From an NPR program titled "A closer look at how armed gangs steal tons of aid in Gaza". You can find lots more reporting on this issue online.
-- snip--
NAHED SHOHAYBR: (Non-English language spoken).
BATRAWY: He tells NPR over the phone, "Israel is protecting the gangs." He says, "Israel is trying to force Hamas to surrender by starving Gaza." Shohaybr has had four drivers killed by these gangs in recent months. The Washington Post and Financial Times reported this week on a leaked U.N. memo saying gangs may be benefiting from a passive, if not active, benevolence or protection from Israeli forces. Spokesman at the U.N. Stephane Dujarric had this to say.
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
STEPHANE DUJARRIC: The reports - the idea that the Israeli forces may be allowing looters or not doing enough to prevent it is frankly fairly alarming, given the responsibilities of Israel as the occupying power to ensure that humanitarian aid is distributed safely.
BATRAWY: Israel's military did not answer NPR's questions on why it hasn't taken action against looting in areas of its control.
SHOHAYBR: (Non-English language spoken).
BATRAWY: Shohaybr says Gaza's civil police is able to provide protection to his drivers and the roads they take, but he notes Israel is killing police across Gaza. Israel says the police are part of Hamas, the group that attacked Israel last year and that the military is trying to eliminate. Israeli officials say any restrictions on aid are to prevent Hamas from benefiting, and that Hamas - whose leaders are also wanted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes - is behind the looting. But just days after the U.N. convoy was attacked, Hamas security forces killed around 20 of the suspected looters. Here's Dujarric of the U.N. again.
--snip--
Bolding mine.
People are free of course to believe Israel, evidence or logic - morality even - be damned. The willful blindness of its supporters has been going on for years. Not sure if even this horror in Gaza will make any difference.
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/21/nx-s1-5196553/a-closer-look-at-how-armed-gangs-steal-tons-of-aid-in-gaza
C0RI0LANUS
(2,106 posts)This is not to point fingers or assign blame, but to hear from you directly rather than read about you indirectly in these threads. Based on probability and statistics, there must be a few Muslim or Arab Democrats participating in our far-reaching platform as our party is one of inclusion, not exclusion. That includes anti-war veterans like myself.
According to World Population Review:
Faiz Shakir is a Muslim-American who worked for Bernie Sanders and appears occasionally on the Thom Hartmann show (public domain photo circa 2012).
Six Arab- or Muslim-Americans were elected to the 118th Congress in 2022.
Half of these congressmen are GOP; half are Democrats. (11 Jan 2023 photo: Arab American Members of Congress / Wikimedia Commons)
Source:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/muslim-population-by-state
union rep
(30 posts)Is not this threat what the Nazis did to the Jews?
AloeVera
(2,093 posts)NT
Beastly Boy
(11,437 posts)Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
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LetMyPeopleVote
(155,906 posts)iemanja
(55,000 posts)Had nothing to do with the election. This is more evidence for them to ignore.
LetMyPeopleVote
(155,906 posts)Link to tweet
ZRB
(250 posts)Seems that Hamas and their supporters in Gaza want to keep the war going, so Israel will be happy to oblige, and they will remain in the "find out" phase. No sympathy from me.
totodeinhere
(13,381 posts)Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
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alarimer
(16,667 posts)Bibi should be in the Hague.
Marthe48
(19,461 posts)But this goes so far beyond.
I don't say much about this horrible situation. I have friends on both sides who are personally impacted, and I don't want them suffering like this.
Israel is not going to solve the emotional and mental stance of Palestinians by bombing them out of Gaza. Enough Palestinians have fled to safety and are watching events in their homeland that the idea of Palestine as a state will never die. The resentment of displacing Palestinians since 1948 and the hope for their country to again be recognized is no longer concentrated in a strip of land. The people who carry that flame are spread across the world. It is possible that what netanyahu has set in motion will someday create another cry of 'Never Again' For some reason, the outrage is not covered as the outrage for ethnic cleansing in Bosnia-Herzegovina, genocide in Rwanda, and unprovoked attack on Ukraine has been covered. It is real, but not recognized as valid, as valid as protest against those horrors were and are. This proposal, of limiting aid, goes against the grain of humanity, if we have much of that quaint feeling left.
On the other hand, Israel has been the target of countless attacks, raids, and hate as an idea and as a country. Having your relentless enemies living right next door provokes endless anxiety and there doesn't seem to be any way to stop hostilities. Israel has never lived in peace and living in constant attack or defense mode has taken its toll on every person who loves Israel. I can make changes in my life if someone or something bothers me. Jews who lived in the area of Israel from time out of mind don't have the same options. They can relocate within the border of Israel, or they can go to another country. If they go to another country, they will still have to deal with an atavistic hatred of all things Jewish. kristian style rwnj are happy to stand on the sidelines and let Muslims and Jews kill each other, because they hate easier than they love.
I have wondered many times why God chose to put Jewish, Muslim, then Christian believers right there in that part of the world. Then I realized it is a crossroads. The ideas move outward from that place, and no matter what you call God, the word will spread. Could another reason be that in that crossroads of the world, humans of different cultures, races, religions were supposed to meet and find a way to respect the differences and embrace common ground? If there is anything divine in why people of major religions were positioned there, it is not creating peace and harmony. I really can't take sides, because too many people are suffering.