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BumRushDaShow

(144,734 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 06:04 PM Thursday

Nearly 200 ballots went uncounted in Wisconsin and officials want to know why

Source: ABC News/AP

January 2, 2025, 1:28 PM


MADISON, Wis. -- Nearly 200 absentee ballots somehow went uncounted in Wisconsin's liberal capital after the Nov. 5 election, prompting state election officials to launch an investigation Thursday into whether the city clerk broke the law.

The Wisconsin Elections Commission voted unanimously to investigate whether Madison City Clerk Maribeth Wetzel-Biehl failed to comply with state law or abused her discretion. Commission members said they were concerned the clerk's office didn't inform them of the problem until late December, almost a month and a half after the election. Commission Chair Ann Jacobs certified Wisconsin's election results on Nov. 29.

Wetzel-Biehl's office said in a statement that the number of uncounted votes didn't affect the outcome of any race or referendum on the ballots. But Jacobs said the oversight was “so egregious” that the commission must determine what happened and how it can be prevented as spring elections approach.

“We are the final canvassers," Jacobs said. “We are the final arbiters of votes in the state of Wisconsin and we need to know why those ballots weren't included anywhere.” Wetzel-Biehl said in an email to The Associated Press that her office looks forward to working with the commission to determine what happened and how to prevent the same issues in future elections.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/200-ballots-uncounted-wisconsin-officials-117275148

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Nearly 200 ballots went uncounted in Wisconsin and officials want to know why (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Thursday OP
200 here, 200 there... littlemissmartypants Thursday #1
I wonder how many "uncounted votes" there really were. Dave Bowman Thursday #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Friday #9
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We'll never have a competent election in this country every again Unladen Swallow Thursday #4
Just one person's thought. Buddyzbuddy Thursday #5
Considering we get occasional reports of a State, or local loss due to... electric_blue68 Thursday #6
I don't think it would change anything even if Buddyzbuddy Friday #8
There seem to be 98 voting districts in Michigan. If 300-odd votes went missing or got "adjusted" in some way Ford_Prefect Thursday #7

littlemissmartypants

(26,007 posts)
1. 200 here, 200 there...
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 06:12 PM
Thursday

Pretty soon you're talking real voters...


Disenfranchisement of the voices of the voters, in any form should be taken seriously and remedied without exception.

If our votes are taken from us what's left?

Thanks for sharing, BRDS.

❤️

Response to Dave Bowman (Reply #2)

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Buddyzbuddy

(105 posts)
5. Just one person's thought.
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 07:10 PM
Thursday

Sure, it could be an innocent oversight. But, what if it wasn't? I don't want to go down some rabbit hole. An investigation is absolutely warranted. 200 voters, that we know of, were disenfranchised. How do you make it up to them, first. Regardless of whom they voted for in the election. Second, to us, for creating grounds for doubt in our elections. Nobody should be in charge of vote counting that sees 200 hundred votes that have not been counted and the response is, it didn't affect the outcome of any race or referendum. That's not good enough.
Laws and penalties must reflect the importance and seriousness that we as citizens purport to have for these institutions.
We, as citizens, don't need election results at the minute, the polls close.The media does. Isn't it more important to get it right. Maybe we should slow the process down. For example, implement a 24 hour cooling of period to report the 1st results. Institute deadlines in reverse. Instead of secondary updates with a deadline of "by such and such date" we change it to "not until such and such date". That would be state controlled. The Federal government could, not easily, change some of their deadlines. I just now, upon reading this post started brainstorming, so I haven't considered the details and ramifications of these ideas. But it's just that, an idea. One that should be bipartisan.
I am guilty. I stay glued to the media, waiting for results but what if we knew we wouldn't know for at least 24 hours. The pressure would be relieved across the board.

electric_blue68

(18,973 posts)
6. Considering we get occasional reports of a State, or local loss due to...
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 08:13 PM
Thursday

.300, 150, 75... ?30....
Votes.

Who knows....if you parcel out some still unreported missing votes counts here, and there in counties all over the country in the Presidential election...?adding up...

Well.... 😑

Not 100% convinced this election was counted correctly. A small doubt, but there. Hearing things like this....

...Doesn't help. 😑 🤬


Buddyzbuddy

(105 posts)
8. I don't think it would change anything even if
Fri Jan 3, 2025, 02:29 AM
Friday

there was incontrovertible proof that Vice President Harris actually won, other than knowing we were robbed again. Re: Gore in 2000. Not that I wouldn't welcome that knowledge and any efforts on that behalf. Again, back to deadlines.

Ford_Prefect

(8,225 posts)
7. There seem to be 98 voting districts in Michigan. If 300-odd votes went missing or got "adjusted" in some way
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 08:33 PM
Thursday

in each district that could account for the roughly 29,000 vote lead that put "45" over the top.

This is rank speculation on my part to examine the possibility. Not a presumption of evidence, or cause and effect.

I too have doubts about the final count in a number of locations all over the country. But they are only my doubts based on previous experience with "altered" voting. I have not read or heard credible comments about this, nor do I presently expect to see challenges to the final count based on evidence.

I suspect if a hand recount had been done nationally there may have been some different numbers reported on the Presidential and Senatorial races. Whether that would be enough to see a different outcome is an open question, which deserves an answer....IMO.

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