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riversedge

(74,756 posts)
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 02:21 PM Dec 2024

Tom Homan Demands $86 BILLION Down Payment For Deportations

Source: crooksandliars.com



So much for the price of eggs!



By Jonathan Larsen — December 27, 2024

When Donald Trump promised on the campaign trail that he’d deliver mass deportations of undocumented immigrants, he never mentioned charging taxpayers for it. He didn’t even lie promise that Mexico would pay for it!

Turns out, we will.
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Trump’s border czar, Tom Homan, confirmed on Christmas Eve how much the war on migrants will cost. “Eighty-six billion [dollars] is a start,” Homan said without mentioning an end. “We need at least that.”

Which is weird because Trump has deployed two billionaires to figure out how his government can spend less. Like, two trillion less.

In his appearance on Fox, Homan said....................

Also, Homan’s concept of paying for things now to invest and save later runs counter to Republican philosophy. They want, for instance, to cut spending on IRS agents, even though IRS salaries pay for themselves
every April 15.

And none of Trump’s people have even started to talk about the costs from the supply-chain and production disruptions being caused by just the threat of mass deportations............................




Read more: https://crooksandliars.com/2024/12/tom-homan-demands-86-billion-down-payment



ummmm---the Congressional House will have to open the wallet for Trumps little scheme??
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Tom Homan Demands $86 BILLION Down Payment For Deportations (Original Post) riversedge Dec 2024 OP
Hate costs a lot of money. Republicans will pay for it by cutting "entitlement" programs. sop Dec 2024 #1
All while giving themselves a sizeable raise. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2024 #21
That adds up to a lot of Social Security checks. Midnight Writer Dec 2024 #2
The Homan Billion Dollar Boondoggle. magicarpet Dec 2024 #3
Yes the Trump regime is totally corrupt. Most of this money will go to their personal accounts. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #5
Perhaps, we could get them to have Mexico pay for it. Magoo48 Dec 2024 #17
This is why the Love Lives On Act can't cpamomfromtexas Dec 2024 #4
As soon as we kick all those moochers off of SNAP, WIC, the VA. Ray Bruns Dec 2024 #6
don't forget the "bitcoin reserve" rampartd Dec 2024 #8
Gyptocurrency. 😠 oasis Dec 2024 #33
a good name for if rampartd Dec 2024 #34
Wasn't there an estimate by the GAO or someone else that removing foreign workers as proposed will cost wayyyyyy more? Ford_Prefect Dec 2024 #7
Yes. "Eighty-six billion [dollars] is a start," Homan said without mentioning an end. "We need at least that." SunSeeker Dec 2024 #11
You can bet that won't be going through the Elon/Vivek/MTG cost-cutting DOGE. keithbvadu2 Dec 2024 #9
These miserable f*cks NotHardly Dec 2024 #10
Take it out of Red State Old Crank Dec 2024 #12
This is what this asshole is thinking about on Christmas Eve? How much his cruelty will cost? Ohioboy Dec 2024 #13
Texas and Florida are so stressed about undocumented immigrants, why not deduct it from their share of FEMA funds? 33taw Dec 2024 #14
TX & OK can split the bill. Lemons UK Dec 2024 #15
Archie! Cthulu on call Dec 2024 #16
How much of that money will go to subcontractors? Those who connected to Homan? Probatim Dec 2024 #18
Elizabeth Warren was quoted as saying tsf deportation of millions will cost 167 billion...get ready maga to PortTack Dec 2024 #19
Well, if they're the ones who want it so badly calimary Dec 2024 #22
The word which will be associated with Felon47 and his henchmen is "demands." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2024 #20
Excellent point. calimary Dec 2024 #23
Like one of my old Master Chiefs used to say maxrandb Dec 2024 #24
OLD Master Chief? BOSSHOG Dec 2024 #26
Had a Chief from Kansas, and when stuff got stupid maxrandb Dec 2024 #27
And the national education continues. republianmushroom Dec 2024 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2024 #28
$86 billion LudwigPastorius Dec 2024 #29
There's this guy who advertises timeshare cancellation on the SiriusXM sports channels... jmowreader Dec 2024 #30
Call it what it really is Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #31
Anybody else noticed that Republicans Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #32
They'll be able to pass funding for it by using Reconciliation. maxsolomon Dec 2024 #35

sop

(13,386 posts)
1. Hate costs a lot of money. Republicans will pay for it by cutting "entitlement" programs.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 02:26 PM
Dec 2024
21. All while giving themselves a sizeable raise.
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 01:40 AM
Dec 2024

This is so fucked up. It's like the GOP's chest has been cut open and all the evil, smelly goo that has been festering inside is exploding forth, to undo any progress we as a nation has made over more than two plus centuries.

The Repugs, MAGAs, corporations and uber-rich have long waited for the opportunity to turn the clock back until the minute before the last state ratified the Constitution. Then they'll rip the document up and write a new one that greatly benefits only themselves.

magicarpet

(17,883 posts)
3. The Homan Billion Dollar Boondoggle.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 02:41 PM
Dec 2024

Enriching self, family, and friends.

Yee Haa,.... may the grifting begin.

Irish_Dem

(67,106 posts)
5. Yes the Trump regime is totally corrupt. Most of this money will go to their personal accounts.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 02:55 PM
Dec 2024

cpamomfromtexas

(1,400 posts)
4. This is why the Love Lives On Act can't
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 02:45 PM
Dec 2024

Get passed. They claim it costs money (it really doesn’t) to allow military widows to remarry without penalty.

Ray Bruns

(5,091 posts)
6. As soon as we kick all those moochers off of SNAP, WIC, the VA.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 02:59 PM
Dec 2024

Cut Medicare and Social Security benefits to the bone, give billionaires and millionaires tax cuts, and shut down the IRS, the money will flow in to the treasury and they will be plenty of money to deport all the brown people.


rampartd

(1,802 posts)
8. don't forget the "bitcoin reserve"
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 03:31 PM
Dec 2024

maybe the best way ever to make money disappear

the only end game i see is soylent green levels of dystopia.

rampartd

(1,802 posts)
34. a good name for if
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 04:55 AM
Dec 2024

i wonder if the purchasers of those non fungible tokens will eventually be bailed out with a "national nft gallery."

Ford_Prefect

(8,310 posts)
7. Wasn't there an estimate by the GAO or someone else that removing foreign workers as proposed will cost wayyyyyy more?
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 03:02 PM
Dec 2024

That is the cost of collecting and deporting them, plus the impact it will have on agriculture and other production, along with lost local , state and federal income taxes and social security payments. Which is to say nothing of the effect the on the U.S. economy losing their collective and individual spending on goods and services.

What has Mr. "Poisoning the Blood" have to say about that figure?

Back in 2015 one source put it this way:

Depending on how the government conducts its apprehensions, it would need to spend $100 billion to $300 billion arresting and removing all undocumented immigrants residing in the country, a process that we estimate would take 20 years. In addition, to prevent any new undocumented immigrants going forward, the government would at a minimum have to maintain current immigration enforcement levels. This results in an additional $315 billion in continuing enforcement costs over that time period.

Not only would enforcing current law cost taxpayers, it would also burden the economy. Removing all undocumented immigrants would cause the labor force to shrink by 6.4 percent, which translates to a loss of 11 million workers. As a result, 20 years from now the economy would be nearly 6 percent or $1.6 trillion smaller than it would be if the government did not remove all undocumented immigrants. While this impact would be found throughout the economy, the agriculture, construction, retail and hospitality sectors would be especially strongly affected.

https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/the-budgetary-and-economic-costs-of-addressing-unauthorized-immigration-alt/

I strongly suspect it will cost far more in 2025 money. That might influence a few elections, no?

A more contemporary source paints an even more complicated, expensive, and dire picture: https://immigrationimpact.com/2024/10/02/report-costs-mass-deportation-immigration/

The report from the American Immigration Council finds that an effort to arrest, detain, process, and remove one million undocumented immigrants per year would cost the U.S. government at least $88 billion per year, ultimately adding up to nearly one trillion dollars in taxpayer costs.

Beyond fiscal costs, the report details how the U.S. economy would suffer if 4% of the workforce was deported. U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) would drop anywhere from 4.2% to 6.8%. By comparison, the U.S. GDP shrank by 4.3% during the Great Recession between 2007 and 2009.

While some politicians treat mass deportations as a simple operation, the report breaks down the process and explains how ramping up each aspect — from arrest, to detention, to processing, to removal — would require an enormous infusion of resources and personnel at extreme costs. The costs of even a single year of a million-deportation regime would be enough to cover nearly twice the annual budget of the National Institute for Health and 18 times more than the entire world currently spends on cancer research each year.

To find and arrest a population of over 13.3 undocumented immigrants would require the government to mobilize anywhere from 212,000 to 409,000 new government employees and law enforcement officers. Even an operation to carry out one million arrests per year would require U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to hire at least 31,000 new employees at an annual cost of at least $6.2 billion per year, nearly as much as ICE’s entire current budget. These estimates are likely conservative, as they don’t account for any of the additional human resources costs, technology costs, legal costs, and other secondary costs which would be incurred by a strategy of mass hiring followed by mass apprehensions in communities.


I have the feeling that the emphasis on this horrible and outrageously expensive pogrom is more by the way of using the alleged emergency to fund new agencies by stealing the money from other established programs, as well as providing a "national emergency" excuse for 45 to bypass Congress, the Constitution, federal and state laws.

SunSeeker

(55,315 posts)
11. Yes. "Eighty-six billion [dollars] is a start," Homan said without mentioning an end. "We need at least that."
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 04:11 PM
Dec 2024

$86B is just to get him "started."

Ohioboy

(3,609 posts)
13. This is what this asshole is thinking about on Christmas Eve? How much his cruelty will cost?
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 04:23 PM
Dec 2024

These fascists can't wait.

33taw

(3,132 posts)
14. Texas and Florida are so stressed about undocumented immigrants, why not deduct it from their share of FEMA funds?
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 04:26 PM
Dec 2024

Texas has 1.6 million undocumented workers and Florida has 1.2 million undocumented workers. They are also the biggest users of FEMA - let's redirect those funds to the mass deportations they want. But wait, that will cause issues in the farm, constructions and hospitality sectors. Oh well, that is what the MAGA folks voted for - higher food and home prices. The whole thing is so stupid.

PortTack

(35,451 posts)
19. Elizabeth Warren was quoted as saying tsf deportation of millions will cost 167 billion...get ready maga to
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 12:36 AM
Dec 2024

Pay more and more and more for your hearts desire!

20. The word which will be associated with Felon47 and his henchmen is "demands."
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 01:20 AM
Dec 2024

Never negotiate, or compromise, or reconsider. Those are words for the weak. In his fantasy world, T***p is a strong man (who wants to be a strongman) who knows more about everything than anyone else, who never makes mistakes, or considers anyone else except those more powerful than he is.

"Demands," "revenge," "retribution" and "cruelty" are the watchwords which will define the next four years. It will take a lot of effort to preserve our nation, but we will join together and resist "the enemy within."

maxrandb

(16,441 posts)
24. Like one of my old Master Chiefs used to say
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 02:10 PM
Dec 2024

"Shit in one hand, want in the other...let me know which hand fills up first"

BOSSHOG

(41,783 posts)
26. OLD Master Chief?
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 10:05 PM
Dec 2024

Is that redundant?

The Pearl of Wisdom I recall from one my old Goats - “When your Sailors do good they’re mine, when they do bad they’re yours.” And another - “No, I’m not gonna put this counseling session in writing.”

maxrandb

(16,441 posts)
27. Had a Chief from Kansas, and when stuff got stupid
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 11:08 PM
Dec 2024

He would say; "we're not in Kansas anymore"

He also used to say; "if you're not the lead horse the view never changes"

Response to riversedge (Original post)

LudwigPastorius

(12,023 posts)
29. $86 billion
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 01:10 AM
Dec 2024

That's just to pay for the leather boots and snappy, brown shirts the deportation goons will wear.

jmowreader

(52,054 posts)
30. There's this guy who advertises timeshare cancellation on the SiriusXM sports channels...
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 09:09 PM
Dec 2024

...who says a timeshare is "the only thing you can buy that you can't tell me what it's gonna cost or when it's gonna end."

I think we've found another thing.

With a little creative accounting, these people can blow through $86 billion just to set up the system for deporting undocumented immigrants...before they manage to kick even one undocumented immigrant out of the country. And then, naturally, we'll need to spend another $50 billion a year to actually go out and look for undocumented immigrants to kick out of the country.

How much of that money is going to wind up in Trump's pocket, I wonder.

Just so you know: for the money Tom Homan is demanding as a down payment on this program the United States Navy could buy two Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers, three Virginia-class fast attack submarines and 20 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers...without spending the entire $86 billion.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
31. Call it what it really is
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 01:05 AM
Dec 2024

Which is a transfer of taxpayer wealth to politically connected cronies...

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
32. Anybody else noticed that Republicans
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 01:09 AM
Dec 2024

Have completely stopped screaming about grocery prices and other "middle class concerns"?

maxsolomon

(36,163 posts)
35. They'll be able to pass funding for it by using Reconciliation.
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 02:28 PM
Dec 2024

IIRC, they get 2 shots at that process per Congress. They will not give a flying fuck about paying for it.

Senate Dems will block any other bill through Cloture.

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