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senseandsensibility

(26,237 posts)
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 03:05 PM 8 hrs ago

David Rothschild has a good point about reaction to Graham's death

"Naked disdain Media & Elite, both Republican & Democratic, have for Democratic voters is insane."

He goes on to say No Media or Political Elite woke up this morning and thought lavishing praise on a person despised by Democratic voters for causing untold suffering around the world while undermining democracy in US would seem partisan Republican to Democratic voters, because they never think about Democratic voters.

This is why you get Dem Senators effusively praising Graham's wit and his golf abilities. This is why Democratic base has reached their limit with the "old guard". The Rs have the media and of course their own party in their pocket.

Someone should be able to stand up for the truth and state the facts about Graham. Especially when the media is completely under the thumb of the Rs. If our leaders can't/won't do it, the base will look for others that will.

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David Rothschild has a good point about reaction to Graham's death (Original Post) senseandsensibility 8 hrs ago OP
Frankly, ever Dem voter with a D incumbent in their state/district needs to look in the mirror RockRaven 8 hrs ago #1
Definitely not a notable death IMO newdeal2 8 hrs ago #2
You were certainly right about the "lackey" thing. Grokenstein 7 hrs ago #16
I don't want somebody who's "a bridge between Trump and the Senate". calimary 5 hrs ago #23
Today, I heard interviews with Booker and Klobachar where they praised Graham for the person he is. Intractable 8 hrs ago #3
It is not necessary to be so effusive! senseandsensibility 8 hrs ago #4
A lot of them have been breathing the rarified air of the Senate for too long. Intractable 8 hrs ago #8
Methane fumes ARE carcinogenic in extended exposure. BattleRow 6 hrs ago #22
Would anyone really change their vote away from a Dem because of lack of denouncing of him? muriel_volestrangler 8 hrs ago #5
That is a common opinion senseandsensibility 8 hrs ago #9
Yes, Beshear may have given a very good response muriel_volestrangler 7 hrs ago #11
Cory Booker..😠😠😠 Cherrycheeks 8 hrs ago #6
What exactly did he say? senseandsensibility 8 hrs ago #7
How great lindsay was. Cherrycheeks 8 hrs ago #10
I like this take on it..... Delarage 7 hrs ago #12
Hi, Delarage! 👋 littlemissmartypants 7 hrs ago #13
Thanks! nt Delarage 5 hrs ago #24
... littlemissmartypants 7 hrs ago #14
Keith Boykin speaks the truth. OGBuzz 7 hrs ago #15
Lindsay flipping 180 degrees literally overnight popsdenver 6 hrs ago #19
Yup. Joinfortmill 7 hrs ago #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Joinfortmill 7 hrs ago #18
Would you please provide a link to this David Rothschild statement? Thx ancianita 6 hrs ago #20
I've said this before. I'll insist on throwing incumbant democrats to the curb, when democrats ffr 6 hrs ago #21

RockRaven

(20,196 posts)
1. Frankly, ever Dem voter with a D incumbent in their state/district needs to look in the mirror
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 03:10 PM
8 hrs ago

and ask themselves if they are content saying "please, can I have some more?" given what their Reps/Senators have been dishing out.

newdeal2

(5,708 posts)
2. Definitely not a notable death IMO
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 03:12 PM
8 hrs ago

I keep seeing all these articles saying how important he was and how he was a bridge between Trump and the Senate.

Who cares. Trump will get another lackey in that seat and his destruction will proceed as usual.

Grokenstein

(6,478 posts)
16. You were certainly right about the "lackey" thing.
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 04:40 PM
7 hrs ago

Nothing says "meritocracy" quite like "appointing the guy's sister to carry on in his stead."

When piggy finally goes toes-up, does that mean Junior or Barron takes over? VD Vance might be in for a shock.

calimary

(91,731 posts)
23. I don't want somebody who's "a bridge between Trump and the Senate".
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 06:01 PM
5 hrs ago

I look for someone who can defy Trump, and do it successfully. Meaning: finding ways to get around or otherwise defeat Trump. In any way(s) possible!

Intractable

(2,658 posts)
3. Today, I heard interviews with Booker and Klobachar where they praised Graham for the person he is.
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 03:20 PM
8 hrs ago

Made me sick.

If they are so buddy-buddy with Republicans, they are not up for the fight.

>> This is why Democratic base has reached their limit with the "old guard".

Fuck yeah!

senseandsensibility

(26,237 posts)
4. It is not necessary to be so effusive!
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 03:24 PM
8 hrs ago

That's what pisses me off. So tone deaf. I think the author is correct that they just never think of Dem voters. Yesterday, though, Andy Beshear was on MSNOW and he kept it civil but factual. No effusive praise. He gets it. He didn't seem afraid of the voters in his red state. We need truth tellers and they are lacking among so many Dems in leadership.

Intractable

(2,658 posts)
8. A lot of them have been breathing the rarified air of the Senate for too long.
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 03:33 PM
8 hrs ago

Their concerns are not the same as mine.

BattleRow

(2,814 posts)
22. Methane fumes ARE carcinogenic in extended exposure.
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 05:34 PM
6 hrs ago

Last edited Mon Jul 13, 2026, 06:20 PM - Edit history (1)

With all that B.S.,it explains a lot.

muriel_volestrangler

(107,086 posts)
5. Would anyone really change their vote away from a Dem because of lack of denouncing of him?
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 03:29 PM
8 hrs ago

Seems very unlikely. Would a centrist decide that they won't vote for a Dem, because they felt they were speaking ill of the dead? A little more likely, I think.

senseandsensibility

(26,237 posts)
9. That is a common opinion
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 03:36 PM
8 hrs ago

one which I may have shared with you until recently. However, it's a matter of degree. Andy Beshear gave a master class in how to respond yesterday for example. No one could accuse him of disrespecting the dead. However, there was no effusive praise, just one compliment about his stance on Ukraine and sympathy for his loved ones. Lavishing praise on a character like Graham that the base has strong feelings about can depress turnout and cause dissatisfaction with the party as a whole. We need a strong, unified base heading into these midterms.

muriel_volestrangler

(107,086 posts)
11. Yes, Beshear may have given a very good response
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 04:06 PM
7 hrs ago

but I hope no one would not vote for a Dem because they praised a dead Republican. That would put the widely-reviled "I won't vote for Biden or Harris because of their Gaza policy" excuse in the shade. A base feeling good is nice; not alienating people who have deeply-held beliefs about speaking well of the dead is more likely to get votes..

senseandsensibility

(26,237 posts)
7. What exactly did he say?
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 03:33 PM
8 hrs ago

I've read references to it, but was it as bad as it's made out to be on bluesky?

Delarage

(2,660 posts)
12. I like this take on it.....
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 04:15 PM
7 hrs ago

I'm not sure how to make it just show the video--but if you click on it, Lamont Tyson gives a great before-and-after summary about how he waffled his whole life, opposed Trump then sucked up to Trump, etc. etc. etc. Also discusses all the damage he did---not at all worthy of praise. Total asshole.

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZZOpgeaZs_o?si=2JZyx99wiRDjPYYL

littlemissmartypants

(36,042 posts)
14. ...
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 04:26 PM
7 hrs ago


Also, everything in the link after the question mark is tracking information and unnecessary. You can delete it.

❤️👋

popsdenver

(2,931 posts)
19. Lindsay flipping 180 degrees literally overnight
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 04:56 PM
6 hrs ago

may have possibly had something to do with him also being associated with Putin/Epstein........

Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

ffr

(23,465 posts)
21. I've said this before. I'll insist on throwing incumbant democrats to the curb, when democrats
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 05:22 PM
6 hrs ago

hold a supermajority. Until then, we need to establish a supermajority. If the voters won't back that, then holding our noses intolerantly at our own is basically doing the bidding of Putin and the republicans.

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