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Bill Browder thinks Russian agents in Ukraine might have poisoned Lindsey Graham (Original Post) highplainsdem 9 hrs ago OP
Well that would be quite a can of worms. tanyev 8 hrs ago #1
Perhaps. Perhaps not. MineralMan 8 hrs ago #2
Which is why he suggested testing. highplainsdem 8 hrs ago #11
Yes. I imagine the idea occurred to others, as well. MineralMan 7 hrs ago #21
You should familiarize yourself with Bill Browder. MorbidButterflyTat 7 hrs ago #24
Browder's an expert DoBW 6 hrs ago #39
Trump would probably blame Ukraine. Renew Deal 5 hrs ago #42
yep, testing for sure DoBW 6 hrs ago #38
Well honestly shithole is one and I'm guessing so are the administration and many.................. Lovie777 6 hrs ago #26
I suppose it's possible. That thought actually occurred to me last night as this was breaking. BannonsLiver 8 hrs ago #3
I've been thinking the timing was suspicious... ananda 8 hrs ago #9
Exactly. LisaL 7 hrs ago #18
Graham wasn't really anti-Russian - he was being performative harumph 8 hrs ago #4
If you're going to go CT- it might be the Iranians biophile 8 hrs ago #5
That looks like needless shit stirring. PufPuf23 8 hrs ago #6
When there is a family history of heart disease, why would an autopsy be necessary? n/t valleyrogue 8 hrs ago #12
Graham is a prominent and controversial person. PufPuf23 7 hrs ago #16
I was wondering, moondust 8 hrs ago #7
There's AI Slop, and there's CT Slop. sop 8 hrs ago #8
I suggest you read the Wikipedia article on Browder's background. That's why I included the link. highplainsdem 8 hrs ago #13
He somehow neglected to provide any evidence EdmondDantes_ 6 hrs ago #31
I don't think so. valleyrogue 8 hrs ago #10
A lot of those heart issues are genetic. LisaL 7 hrs ago #19
I think he did. All too common, especially with men. n/t valleyrogue 4 hrs ago #45
That's some effin slow poison malaise 8 hrs ago #14
The Russians are the smartest poisoners on the planet. They could have put something on an item Lindsey Vinca 7 hrs ago #17
That would be quite the warning shot to Trump and other Senators Buckeyeblue 7 hrs ago #15
Long flight back from Ukraine. Could have been a DVT Blood Clot. mackdaddy 7 hrs ago #20
Yes, blood clots moving to chest aren'r uncommon, it requires no conspiracy 31j20b3 7 hrs ago #23
No evidence for this whatsoever fujiyamasan 7 hrs ago #22
I'm disappointed that Bill Browder seems to be unknown on a political board. MorbidButterflyTat 7 hrs ago #25
It's been a while since he was discussed here very often, which is why I included that Wikipedia link. highplainsdem 6 hrs ago #27
His book, Red Notice was the first "political" book I ever read MorbidButterflyTat 1 hr ago #46
...was also my first impulsive thought..... joanbarnes 6 hrs ago #28
I wouldn't really care... Escape 6 hrs ago #29
Yes, but who controls who has possession of the body and does the autopsy? Trump's DOJ and intel agencies under his DNI ChicagoTeamster 6 hrs ago #30
That would be a huge blow to the Vladimir❤Donald bromance. Oh wait, no it wouldn't...... OGBuzz 6 hrs ago #32
Trump would probably blame Ukraine. Renew Deal 5 hrs ago #43
I expect that he will if there is anything suspicious about Graham's death. OGBuzz 5 hrs ago #44
Oh well. SergeStorms 6 hrs ago #33
That would put us in a new world. bucolic_frolic 6 hrs ago #34
No, the South poisoned him with too much lard in his biscuits and too many slices of bacon. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist 6 hrs ago #35
It's not outside the realm of possibility, Crunchy Frog 6 hrs ago #36
Lindsey Graham alive or dead today does not impact Russia ToxMarz 6 hrs ago #37
Who cares, really now Hell is starting to get crowed........ blue blues 6 hrs ago #40
Family history of heart disease pinkstarburst 6 hrs ago #41

tanyev

(50,039 posts)
1. Well that would be quite a can of worms.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 11:49 AM
8 hrs ago

For the country, and especially for Putin fanboy Donald Trump.

MineralMan

(152,179 posts)
21. Yes. I imagine the idea occurred to others, as well.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 01:17 PM
7 hrs ago

We'll never know the results of any testing that occurs, though.

We're all just guessing. Bottom line is that he's dead. What happens next is the interesting thing to consider. Why he's dead and how he came to be dead isn't all that interesting, and we will not get an answer to that. Ever.

So...moving on to the next story...

MorbidButterflyTat

(5,096 posts)
24. You should familiarize yourself with Bill Browder.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 01:35 PM
7 hrs ago

He's not some internet rando.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Browder

He was the driving force behind The Magnitsky Act.

Lovie777

(24,741 posts)
26. Well honestly shithole is one and I'm guessing so are the administration and many..................
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 01:45 PM
6 hrs ago

in the Republican party.

BannonsLiver

(21,224 posts)
3. I suppose it's possible. That thought actually occurred to me last night as this was breaking.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 11:52 AM
8 hrs ago

But if they’ve got someone in that deep why wouldn’t they just kill Zelenskyy?

harumph

(3,633 posts)
4. Graham wasn't really anti-Russian - he was being performative
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 11:55 AM
8 hrs ago

It's just like giving Ukraine the "license" to produce patriot missiles (with what supply chain?).
It's like an unfunded mandate in some sense. Just an exercise for the press and gullible people. What I'm saying is that Trump et al. pretends to back Ukraine publicly while managing to stab them in the back in other ways. No reason to kill LG.

biophile

(1,752 posts)
5. If you're going to go CT- it might be the Iranians
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 11:59 AM
8 hrs ago

Trying to scare Trump by working their way up the chain 😏.
Most theories are plausible, few are probable.

PufPuf23

(10,073 posts)
6. That looks like needless shit stirring.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 12:00 PM
8 hrs ago

Graham should have an extensive autopsy suitable for a suspicious death regardless of internet rumors.

valleyrogue

(2,843 posts)
12. When there is a family history of heart disease, why would an autopsy be necessary? n/t
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 12:43 PM
8 hrs ago

PufPuf23

(10,073 posts)
16. Graham is a prominent and controversial person.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 12:50 PM
7 hrs ago

There are already internet conspiracy theories.

Autopsy to confirm a normal death.

moondust

(21,394 posts)
7. I was wondering,
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 12:01 PM
8 hrs ago

after I heard he was in Ukraine, if he may have enjoyed a cup of "tea" or something while he was there.

highplainsdem

(63,983 posts)
13. I suggest you read the Wikipedia article on Browder's background. That's why I included the link.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 12:44 PM
8 hrs ago

EdmondDantes_

(2,384 posts)
31. He somehow neglected to provide any evidence
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 02:12 PM
6 hrs ago

Ignoring the logical flaws of why the Russians wouldn't be killing Ukrainian leaders if they had this capacity, what's the incentive? Russia is already doing poorly in the war. If they kill one of our senators, doesn't that just incentivize the US to get involved in donating weapons to Ukraine?

valleyrogue

(2,843 posts)
10. I don't think so.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 12:40 PM
8 hrs ago

Graham lost his father to a heart attack when his father was 68 and he was about 21 or 22 years of age. Since his mother had already died, he became the legal guardian of and basically raised his then 13-year-old sister.

Vinca

(54,644 posts)
17. The Russians are the smartest poisoners on the planet. They could have put something on an item Lindsey
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 12:51 PM
7 hrs ago

would have unpacked once he got home and that's the end of Lindsey. (I know, I know, I watch too many spy shows. LOL.)

Buckeyeblue

(6,529 posts)
15. That would be quite the warning shot to Trump and other Senators
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 12:48 PM
7 hrs ago

Because we are so worried that Putin will start launching nukes if we try to hold him too accountable, nothing would happen. Seriously. First, the autopsy results wouldn't be released. And they wouldn't be released because Trump wouldn't want the public knowing that Putin was laughing in his face.

More likely that Graham had the widow maker blockage.

mackdaddy

(2,000 posts)
20. Long flight back from Ukraine. Could have been a DVT Blood Clot.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 01:07 PM
7 hrs ago

Of course there are probably some medications that could have made the chances of a DVT clot worse.

Just guesses of course.

31j20b3

(266 posts)
23. Yes, blood clots moving to chest aren'r uncommon, it requires no conspiracy
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 01:22 PM
7 hrs ago

From a parsimony standpoint, I think an embolism is just as explanatory and very much simpler in terms of actors, foreknowledge, access etc

If he had radiation poisoning, my opinion would get modified. But this just looks like a terrible event from sitting too long,

fujiyamasan

(2,260 posts)
22. No evidence for this whatsoever
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 01:20 PM
7 hrs ago

The right would love this though, then they could claim he’s a fucking martyr.

highplainsdem

(63,983 posts)
27. It's been a while since he was discussed here very often, which is why I included that Wikipedia link.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 01:46 PM
6 hrs ago

MorbidButterflyTat

(5,096 posts)
46. His book, Red Notice was the first "political" book I ever read
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 06:52 PM
1 hr ago

I have mad respect for him.

Thanks for including the link.

ChicagoTeamster

(1,582 posts)
30. Yes, but who controls who has possession of the body and does the autopsy? Trump's DOJ and intel agencies under his DNI
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 02:07 PM
6 hrs ago

would probably prevent honest autopsy results. The whole Trump administration is possibly compromised.

OGBuzz

(1,023 posts)
32. That would be a huge blow to the Vladimir❤Donald bromance. Oh wait, no it wouldn't......
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 02:14 PM
6 hrs ago

'love will keep them together, forever'...

RedWhiteBlueIsRacist

(2,482 posts)
35. No, the South poisoned him with too much lard in his biscuits and too many slices of bacon.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 02:21 PM
6 hrs ago

The South sees eating healthy as being too woke.

Crunchy Frog

(28,329 posts)
36. It's not outside the realm of possibility,
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 02:25 PM
6 hrs ago

and Putin is a known mass killer, and not just in the context of war, but towards anyone he perceives as standing in his way.

There's certainly sufficient justification for a degree of suspicion.

ToxMarz

(3,244 posts)
37. Lindsey Graham alive or dead today does not impact Russia
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 02:26 PM
6 hrs ago

He is one inconsistent voice among many. He floats with prevailing winds. He is not a leader. Nothing has changed for Russia in any way today because of this.

He had a heart attack like so many men his age and physical condition do.

pinkstarburst

(2,131 posts)
41. Family history of heart disease
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 02:41 PM
6 hrs ago

His father died of a heart attack at a slightly younger age.

71 is not a young man. Average US life expectancy for men is 76.5 years.

There's no harm in him getting an autopsy, but the idea of him suddenly having a stroke or cardiac event at his age is no more shocking than Mitch McConnell having one.

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