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Jilly_in_VA

(14,691 posts)
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 12:19 PM 7 hrs ago

Social Security tried to assign fake death dates to 2.7M people: Whistleblower

A whistleblower has come forward to Congress, alleging the Social Security Administration tried to assign fake death dates to 2.7 million people living in the United States as a way to get immigrants to self-deport.

The former Social Security employee, Jeremiah Schofield, said the Department of Government Efficiency, then run by billionaire Trump supporter Elon Musk, successfully pushed the agency to assign death dates to 6,000 people. He also alleges the Department of Homeland Security asked the agency to mark an additional 2.7 million people as dead.

Being assigned a death date and moved to the Social Security death master file means immediately losing access to bank accounts, health insurance and credit cards. It can also mean mortgages are cancelled, legal immigration status is revoked and American citizens lose their right to vote.
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Details of the allegations were confirmed by Schofield's attorney. Schofield worked for the agency for 25 years and helped lead IT modernization efforts. He does not know if the 2.7 million people were ultimately marked as dead.

“Jeremiah witnessed Trump Administration officials admit that they were deliberately targeting people whom they had no reason to believe were in fact dead in order to remove them from the Social Security rolls and ultimately from the country,” said Debra S. Katz, one of the attorneys representing Schofield.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/06/05/social-security-fake-death-dates-doge-whistleblower/90421431007/?tbref=hp

More instances of crooked "bookkeeping" by Shitler and Eloon

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gulliver

(14,130 posts)
2. Not gonna trust USA Today
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 12:43 PM
6 hrs ago

Warren asked for details. Good on her.

Basically, these could have been names of people whose birth dates showed it was ridiculous for them to still be alive and receiving Social Security. Do I think some "journalist" hack who is still unfortunate enough to be working in print journalism would search out the facts versus just posting clickbait? No.

I have absolutely zero tolerance for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or SNAP fraud. Zero. Long prison sentences, fines, whatever. Throw the book at them. These programs are vital.

OnlinePoker

(6,167 posts)
3. Too bad they didn't do this to Musk.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 01:27 PM
6 hrs ago

It would have been great to see him deported with no money.

twodogsbarking

(19,545 posts)
4. When you are dead you don't know it. Others feel the pain. Same thing happens when you are stupid. Ricky Gervais.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 01:27 PM
6 hrs ago

Zackzzzz

(403 posts)
6. In May, I got a letter from the bank wishing me condolences.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 01:34 PM
5 hrs ago

I called the bank and they said they would get back to me,
but I just realized they didn't call me back.
They said I died in 2024, but I can still use my credit cards.

FakeNoose

(42,697 posts)
13. It's a different (not too smart) group that sends out the condolence letters
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 02:21 PM
5 hrs ago

Isn't it a little silly that they sent condolences to you, announcing your own death.

Yes the bank made a stupid mistake, but these guys in DOGE aren't fooling around. They have access to our data and they can do whatever they want with it.

AverageOldGuy

(4,264 posts)
9. 150-yr-old Social Security recipients
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 01:47 PM
5 hrs ago

Some of you tech weenies can chime in and show my error, but, this is what I heard.

The SS computer system has been around for a while and is programmed in an old computer language, COBOL -- Common Business Oriented Language.

There is a record for everyone -- all the usual stuff -- names, address, date of birth, etc., etc.

If the date of birth (DOB) is not available, COBOL assigns a place holder -- a date that is 150 years in the past. So -- if your DOB is missing, you will appear to be 150 years old -- until SS can get your DOB and fill in the blank.

Elon Muskrat's whiz kids are too damn young to remember COBOL, so, they saw some number of SS recipients who are 150 years old. If you think about it, that was one of DOGE's first announcements -- they had found a few thousand people illegally receiving SS annuity who were 150 years old so they must be dead.

Then, a SS programmer slapped them upside the head and told them they didn't know WTF they were talking about thereby causing the "150-yr-old scammers" to disappear from the conversation.

AZJonnie

(4,125 posts)
14. Technically, it's not COBOL itself doing that assignment, as COBOL doesn't have a native Date data type
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 02:58 PM
4 hrs ago

In fact, the language supports only 3 types: NUMERIC / ALPHABETIC / ALPHANUMERIC and even then type enforcement can be lax. It also has no native NULL support (which is now fairly standard nomenclature for "unknown" in most modern DB's and languages). In fact from my research it doesn't even support empty string ('', i.e. two single quotes). If there's a variable in your COBOL program, it has to have some THING in it. So the closest you can get to NULL or empty is setting the value to a single space (' '). Natively, I'm talking about.

Thus, it was Social Security's own procedure to set the May 20, 1875 date for records when no DOB was available (at least, in some systems(s)). So not exactly a matter of "being too young to remember COBOL", but rather they didn't bother to read SS's documentation before jumping to conclusions about what that date, when seen in their system, actually means.

But some (on this thread) are kinda supposing there's some relation between the 1875 matter, and this one, but I'm not convinced as of yet that there actually is. If these 2M+ records were simply those with May 20, 1875 dates, it wouldn't necessary target 'immigrants' (from anything I'm able to find/read).

Rather, it's likely that the ex-SSA employee is speaking to some knowledge he had re: the way the list of 2M+ people to 'mark as dead' was compiled, and it's not simply the 1875 placeholder. It's more likely it was done by cross-referencing separate work permit and legal permanent residents lists

Jilly_in_VA

(14,691 posts)
17. Back around 1994
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 03:59 PM
3 hrs ago

I went to see a home health patient who had all manner of disabilities (I won't bore you with them here, but trust me, she had 'em in spades, starting with diabetes). I asked her how she was and she said, "Pretty good, for a dead woman," and cackled fit to kill. I looked at her like she'd lost her mind, but that was one disability she didn't have. Then her daughter pulled out a letter from the Social Security Administration. It appeared that they'sd gotten her mixed up with someone else of the same name, born in the same year. So yeah, it happened even then. I immediately called our social worker, who jetted up there and started untangling the mess, but it was awhile before poor Mrs. H. got her benefits straightened out..... So even then.......

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