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There is no word in the English language to adequately describe the anger and frustration and disbelief that Americans are feelingâ¦.
— Katherine (@wordwatcher.bsky.social) 2026-06-05T14:58:24.598Z
markie
(24,086 posts)there is something wrong with our Constitution if someone like this can become (and stay) president!!!
wnylib
(26,641 posts)at least accepted the Constitution and their vow of office. For 250 years we had leaders who did not try to overthrow it completely, evem though some of them violated parts of it.
The founders feared that a despot could gain the support and trust of the people so they tried to put safeguards in the gov't system. But safeguards don't work when a leader is determined to destroy the system and gains power over both the Congress and SC.
I don't think there is much more the founders could hsve done to prevent a Donald Trump type from tearing it all down.
But there are things we can do to bring him down and restore the nation.
DFW
(60,559 posts)A Supreme Court that does the bidding of the executive was never envisioned, because its constitutionally granted independence was designed to prevent that.
GiqueCee
(4,914 posts)... when they played the long game to pack the courts with True Believers in their black-hearted political "philosophy". There were few, if any, guardrails conceived or implemented because the framers never anticipated that despicable lowlifes like Trump, Roberts, and the merry band of monsters we now call the GOP, would ever go to such malign lengths to game the system for their own corrupt benefit.
These horrible people have done too much deliberate damage to the nation to ever warrant so much as a hint of forgiveness or mercy. May they all end their days in ICE detention centers, under the same conditions to which they so gleefully subjected others in clear defiance of the law and common human decency.
dugog55
(384 posts)could not have been imagined 250 years ago. That wealth, and the power and greed that comes with it, is what is corrupting our government. Everything always leads back to the money. Our Supreme Court is bought out, as is most of Congress and the Senate. The damn Israelis pump millions into PACs and literal bribes. Trump of course is a world class grifter, but he does have help from the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation. They have been planning this take over for years. And it also doesn't help that 30% of Americans still think Trump is doing a wonderful job. If there is ever any test for voting, it should be a bottom line of an 80 IQ.
allegorical oracle
(6,637 posts)to the Presidency" as others before him did. We have the answer...not once, but (confoundingly) twice.
popsdenver
(2,722 posts)for a single day, of his first term, if it hadn't been for the Republican U.S. Senators, the Republican U.S. House Members, and the Republican U.S. Supreme Court Justices........
Those three groups of Trumphumpers are soooooo stupid, they have yet to realize that there is NO Judicial or Legislative branch of government in a Fascist Tyranny Dictatorship........They should realize that Trump's life history of throwing EVERYONE, (with NO exceptions), under the bus as soon as they outgrow their usefulness to him.......
in2herbs
(4,612 posts)of Ghandi's vision were not always peaceful. It was their physical fighting on behalf of Ghandi's belief in peace that brought that revolution to an end.
Does our democracy require a revolution to bring about peace?
we require a congress with a backbone.
PatrickforB
(15,549 posts)and quite unfortunately, revolution may happen. We must remember that any government governs at the SUFFRANCE of the people, and since about 1995, I have noticed that Congress doesn't seem to care at all about what Americans actually want. They are more in tune with pleasing their donors.
Honestly, I'm so fucking sick of being told how people are going to fight for me while this shit stays the same. Trump is a symptom of the class war that has been successfully waged by the robber barons since 1935. They have played the long game, and now we have that Heritage Foundation asshole who is saying the revolution will be bloodless if the left lets it be.
Fuck all those assholes. People are fucking ANGRY. They are. And I'm not thinking the establishment of our party understands that at a visceral level. But I'm seeing 1789 and guillotine memes more frequently now, and people are talking about revolution.
I'm too old for this shit, nearly 70, so I don't want any part of that. So yeah, let's hope the new Congress has a fucking spine. They need to raise taxes on corporations and billionaires, get rid of Citizens United, change the rules of corporate governance to hold workers, consumers and the environment EQUAL in weight to profits, and give us Medicare for all Americans. Also bolster Social Security so it stays solvent. It is a SACRED TRUST and I've paid into both for the 40 years I've worked. Do those things and Dems would likely never lose another election for decades.
Joinfortmill
(21,797 posts)popsdenver
(2,722 posts)right on all counts.........
TommyT139
(2,442 posts)From the first go-round:
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
Also, the English transliteration of the name is spelled "Gandhi."
calimary
(91,101 posts)yellow dahlia
(6,668 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(5,107 posts)Too soft, too lazy, too easily distracted, too bought off.
Unfortunately, its going to take real suffering on a massive scale before Americans figure out that the only way were going to get the changes we need is when we force them. I just dont see us voting our way out of this. The past sixty years have been a pretty good indication of that.
Everything keeps drifting in the direction of giving the owner class more and more and the People less and less no matter who is in power.
bob4460
(406 posts)That there would be enough members of Congress that would let a president break the laws so blatantly.
FakeNoose
(42,697 posts)... would be so completely CORRUPT. Back in the late 1700's and early 1800's, things were pretty straight-forward. If you committed treason, or if you were disloyal for any reason, you got hanged or you were shot by a firing squad. The conversation is over.
Intractable
(2,471 posts)The current Republican Congress has given it all away.
Sweet Rosie Red
(161 posts)yellow dahlia
(6,668 posts)Disaffected
(6,635 posts)Trump can be impeached and removed in short order if Congress so wishes. But, Congress doesn't so here we are.
It's hard to legislate honesty and morality - it depends on the elected reps and as the old adage goes, we deserve the government we elect.
The flaws don't necessarily lie in the constitution, a brilliant document, but the founders could not have anticipated such widespread corruption and dishonesty. I know I couldn't have.
There have been plenty of republican politicians that I have strongly disagreed with as regards policy, but many of them really believed in our constitution and wouldn't have gone along with such in-your-face disregard for our traditions and institutions.
The founders created a remarkable democracy that has been the envy of the free world over the years, but there are 21st century flaws among our voters, the media, and politics that they couldn't have expected. I don't know if we've jumped the shark yet, but I dread reaching a point of no return.
Joinfortmill
(21,797 posts)Mysterian
(6,684 posts)The electoral college and the undemocratic apportionment of senators are two major flaws that have allowed the takeover by a corrupt minority and the very possible end of the republic after 250 years. Jimmy Carter hit the nail on the head when he said the USA is a plutocracy.
The founders compromised a bit too much but they made something that lasted for a couple centuries.
Disaffected
(6,635 posts)and the Presidential Pardon (is it in the Constitution?) is open to great abuse as we have amply witnessed.
Impeachment is still there however and should be but corruption does override it alright........
PatSeg
(53,776 posts)Flaws that aren't easily fixed now.
homegirl
(2,015 posts)impeach DJT immediately. After November mid terms the Democrats will be in charge, the first order of business will be impeachment. Trump and Vance gone, and the Speaker of the House moves into the Oval Office. And appoints a V.P.
Nixon was a party man, Trump is NOT! Nixon resigned and his V.P became POTUS. NOT THE DEMOCRAT WHO WAS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!
Bettie
(19,951 posts)they never envisioned the billionaires they have today whose prize possessions are the congresscritters they own.
The ones who do their bidding with religious fervor. The only god they worship is money, in the shape of billionaires.
maddiemom
(5,210 posts)We should elect our POTUSes like all other elected officials: by POPULAR VOTE.
Disaffected
(6,635 posts)Deuxcents
(27,907 posts)Its congress that is the roadblock in this case. Gonna have to change that this election cycle
malaise
(298,603 posts)Its crazy on steroids
Ponietz
(4,494 posts)I think the simplest, most effective solution would be a 28th Amendment stating corporations are not people and money is not speech.
Theres our revolution in one sentence.
Gore1FL
(22,995 posts)I don't have specific ideas on how to fix impeachment and removal through the 25th amendment, but those need fixing with one.
We need another to put better requirements for presidents, and perhaps, all elected federal offices, from financial transparency to competency tests.
Follow that up with one judicial term limits.
I am sure we could come up with more; yours should be first.
Karasu
(2,193 posts)amending it would be next to impossible. Frankly, many of its equivalents in other countries pulled off the "living document" bit much, much better.
Justice matters.
(10,146 posts)That would be a good start. Shouldn't be hard to pass it as a LAW.
Disaffected
(6,635 posts)and the most consequential, court decisions of the modern era.
RainCaster
(13,905 posts)Until we get rid of those corrupt monsters our laws will never be safe.
Ars Longa
(617 posts)RetiredParatrooper
(257 posts)Elie Mystal posits 29. I see no reason to disagree.
SpankMe
(3,777 posts)PatSeg
(53,776 posts)like so many do. So much for all those republican members of congress who used to pull out their pocket sized copy of the constitution for the camera. Now it is just an annoying piece of paper that they may pay lip service to, while actually ignoring it in word or intention.
I'm sure there are many who don't even know what is in it, well aside from the 2nd amendment which they selectively use for their own political benefit. Hey, a lot of MAGA voters only care about the 2nd amendment They don't know or understand the rest of the constitution.
stage left
(3,360 posts)is the closest word.
LoisB
(13,648 posts)and/or compliant Supreme Court that is the problem.
Cirsium
(4,164 posts)The Constitution is anti-democratic.
Cirsium
(4,164 posts)The 4 states where he still has an above water approval rating control 8% of the Senate, yet only have .01% of the US population. This is democracy? They have 800 times the power they should have in a truly representative democracy. (ID, WY, ND, WV)
Blue Owl
(59,780 posts)While sucking off the blue states economic contributions like thirsty hogs on a hind titty.
Cut em off, says I
Cirsium
(4,164 posts)But there are children and Democrats there. The problem is the system that gives a relative handful of people disproportionate power.
dalton99a
(95,783 posts)richdj25
(229 posts)Party, not just the one individual who is leading this chaos. Think about it, the GOP has been slowly building up to this moment in time, as a matter of protecting what power they have left. This is the same party that told Nixon he had to go.
Best hope the public is up to doing something about Trump and the Republicans. Otherwise, the climax to all this is going to do some serious damage.....across the board.
Festivito
(13,935 posts)As people, they have accepted their bribes to not do anything to stop what is happening. And that goes for the republican appointed supreme court justices.
They fully intend to continue accepting their bribes. The main stream media will also continue to accept their bribes.
Voters continue to be confused about what is true or not, what is important or not. If they go out to the streets, they're made to be a joke.
progressoid
(53,419 posts)"A nation that will not enforce its laws has no claim to the respect and allegiance of its people."
-- -- Ambrose Bierce
Ponietz
(4,494 posts)Joinfortmill
(21,797 posts)Skittles
(173,321 posts)occurred when a mutli-felon rapist seditionist con man POS who couldn't pass the background check required for ANY other job was allowed to run for PRESIDENT
maddiemom
(5,210 posts)Karasu
(2,193 posts)to run.
The Constitution is indeed just a piece of paper, and has been for some time.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,827 posts)Agree 100%
hamsterjill
(17,870 posts)Describes me perfectly. Someone else mentioned "rage" and I'd add that, too. I think anyone with a brain is going to be feeling something.
Pisces
(6,351 posts)Ponietz
(4,494 posts)hay rick
(9,757 posts)The English language includes the words "treason" and "treasonous." The media needs to use those words to describe what we all see, and the public needs to wake up, take responsibility, and end treasonous practices, treasonous complicity, and the freedom of traitors to betray their fellow countrymen. Corrupted and complicit institutions needs to cooperate or be bulldozed.
Cha
(321,090 posts)we search for it. 💔☮️💙🌻🕯️🕊️
Jedi Guy
(3,517 posts)Nothing, really. He was (and remains) a shitty human being but you can't put a clause into the Constitution to stop a shitty person from being elected to the Presidency.
The Framers could have written in a clause that someone with a criminal conviction is disqualified from running for President and it would have kept his second term from happening. I don't think they ever foresaw a shitbag like Trump running for office, though.
What kind of Constitutional amendment would fix a situation like this? Recall elections? Get ready for those to happen with the same regularity as the midterms. There's already a mechanism for Congress to remove a President and it's extremely difficult for a damn good reason.
I really can't think of anything offhand. The "I don't care what Constitutional law experts say" bit at the very beginning of the tweet tells me that whoever posted it isn't looking for rational discussion, though. You can ignore reality all you want but it isn't just going to go away.
Morbius
(1,169 posts)Too many people choose news filters that omit whatever news they don't want to hear. If American media in 2016 was the equal of American media in 1974, this country doesn't elect a Trump.
Not that I have an answer to the problem, though.
Jedi Guy
(3,517 posts)I feel like the American electorates of 1974 and 2016 are very different animals, though. Some things are still going to be the same, like the kitchen table issues, but it was a different world and a different time. Sadly a shitbag like Trump can find fertile ground much more easily than we like to think.
The media back then was a totally different landscape. Everyone was, for the most part, presented with more or less the same facts and might interpret them differently but there was still a shared reality. These days the media ecosystem is a chaotic mess of echo chambers and outright bullshit, you're certainly correct about that.
1974 was before my time but I feel like back in the Before Times the left and the right both genuinely wanted the best for America and disagreed on how to get to the desired endpoint.
Now the left and the right are working from totally different blueprints and the desired endpoints are wildly different and don't bear any resemblance to each other.
Karasu
(2,193 posts)And we need them yesterday, Also, criminals should NOT be allowed to run. I think there's a strong argument to be made for educational requirements as well. The mental health/competence tests also need to be regular occurrences.
This is all just for fucking starters. There is a lot more that could be done.
The flaws in the system are legion and have led to an entire American culture of legitimizing, celebrating, and rewarding both insanity and stupidity. It should never have come to this.
OldBaldy1701E
(11,678 posts)NO 'system' is going to fix this.
Until we remove (or, at least heavily restrict) capitalism as a societal model, anything we do to try and correct this will fail and things will just happen again.
The Constitution is not at fault. Without those trying to implement (and corrupt) it, it is just a piece of paper.
WE are the power, and WE have to make things change.
But, since the programming worked, we do not seem to be worried about the very thing that is causing all of this.
Just as the programming has convinced us that our only option is to be good little peons and shut up about our suffering. We were not born anointed, so we do not count. No one seems willing to change this.
All of this will remain as long as we keep listening to those whose very position of wealth and power depends on the delusion they created, and falling for their propaganda due to their having most of the wealth in the nation under their control.
It is sickening to watch people destroy themselves solely because some rich person told them that there is no other way.
Efilroft Sul
(4,484 posts)Which precedent will we set laying down the law or learned helplessness?
ananda
(35,636 posts)1. desperation
2. hopelessness
3. despondency
4. misery
5. anguish
6. gloom
7. dejection
8. melancholy
9. discouragement
10. sorrow
11. woe
12. heartache
13. dolefulness
14. dole
15. moroseness
16. forlornness
17. dispiritedness
18. dispair
19. sadness
20. helplessness
21. pessimism
22. disillusion
23. frustration
24. despondence
25. agony
26. grief
27. apathy
28. fear
29. bewilderment
30. wretchedness
31. loneliness
32. heartsickness
33. ennui
34. cynicism
35. disappointment
36. desperateness
37. bleakness
38. anger
39. exasperation
40. forsakenness
41. heartbreak
42. desolation
43. panic
44. powerlessness
45. anxiety
46. unhappiness
47. depression
48. dismay
49. exultation
50. disgust
51. elation
52. madness
53. angst
54. joylessness
55. pitifulness
56. darkness
57. gloominess
58. rage
59. faintheartedness
60. hopefulness
61. aimlessness
62. perplexity
63. dreadfulness
64. lovelessness
65. indifference
66. cheerlessness
67. dissatisfaction
68. lethargy
69. defeatism
70. optimism
71. bafflement
72. ambivalence
73. embitterment
74. purposelessness
75. unfulfillment
76. confusion
77. disquietude
78. senselessness
79. uncertainty
80. trepidation
81. faithlessness
82. boredom
83. resentment
84. discontent
85. disconsolation
86. emptiness
87. pity
88. abyss
89. fruitlessness
90. fury
91. strife
92. listlessness
93. complacency
94. revulsion
95. indignation
96. worthlessness
97. dread
98. tepidity
99. fatalism
100. hatred
moreland01
(884 posts)Why didn't the last administration that could have fixed this actually fix it? We went through hell the first four years of trump and here we are doing it again.
Why can't we ever learn?
Magoo48
(6,742 posts)Enhanced, strengthened, clarified freedoms,
And, restructured, clarified immediate redress actions taken to assure any obstructions to our liberties must be amended into our Constitution.
Martin68
(28,137 posts)The effects could last for decades if we manage to take the county back.