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Celerity

(55,109 posts)
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 08:02 PM 21 hrs ago

So far, the closure of the Strait of Hormuz has not led to a major economic disaster. That won't last forever.




https://prospect.org/2026/06/03/aftermath-something-is-going-to-snap-iran-strait-of-hormuz/





You’re not going to believe this, but it turns out Donald Trump’s latest promise that he was going to get a great deal with Iran to open up the Strait of Hormuz—one of dozens of such promises—has, as ever, come to nothing. A core Iranian demand is that Israel stop carpet-bombing Lebanon, and Israel, with its contemptuous disregard for American interests and human life alike, instead has greatly stepped up bombing and its occupation of Lebanese territory. Iran has therefore cut off contact with American negotiators, and the two sides are once again shooting at each other. Trump, for his part, recently told a CNBC reporter that “I really don’t care. I couldn’t care less” if negotiations are over. They “started to get very boring,” he added. I’ll admit that when this started way back in February, I thought that something big would have broken in the global economy by now. Yet so far, despite some serious pain in certain areas—like global diesel prices—there hasn’t been a truly major crisis. But it’s only a matter of time before one or more of the severely strained parts of the global economy breaks.

Let me start with the factors that have so far helped prevent a major crisis. An important one is the green-energy transition. While very far from complete, it has provided the world with invaluable alternatives for energy and transportation. A great deal of fossil fuel energy can be replaced with solar, wind, and batteries, and a great deal of oil-based transportation can be replaced with electric vehicles—even freight trucking. Chinese exports of solar and EVs are soaring, and even very poor countries are buying in bulk. For a nation like Egypt, whose oil imports have been a crushing burden on a struggling economy, renewable energy is not about hippie-dippie environmentalism, it’s a matter of life and death. Even for many industrial applications, drop-in replacements for fossil energy are widely available. As energy analyst Jan Rosenow writes, “Industrial heat pumps, electric boilers, electro-thermal storage and resistance heating can already replace large shares of low and medium-temperature [fossil fuel–generated] heat. These are not prototypes.”


A second factor is that many nations, particularly in Asia, have cut back their oil consumption through rationing and other controls. Somewhat to my surprise, an ersatz regional coordination bloc has emerged, as nations from Singapore to Japan have ironed out ways to help each other deal with the worst shortages. A third more ominous factor is that the world has been heavily drawing down existing stocks of oil and natural gas. Many people saw the Iran war coming, and filled up every oil tanker and storage facility they possibly could. A great deal of that has since been used up. The vast storage complex at Cushing, Oklahoma (regarded as a storage benchmark), has declined from 33 million barrels to 24.5 million—and they can’t be fully emptied. “You can’t draw them down to zero because there is gunk at the bottom of the tanks,” oil analyst Matt Smith told CNN.

European nations have about 640 million barrels of storage capacity; they are down to perhaps 500 million. The U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve had about 415 million barrels before the war; it is down to 357 million, and being drawn down by another nine million per week. The Japanese reserve had about 350 million barrels; it is now down to about 270 million. China is undoubtedly tapping its own vast reserve, which is the largest in the world, but it does not publish official figures. (And what is true of the Cushing tanks is also true of these national reserves; the milkshake, as it were, cannot be fully drunk.) “We’re approaching unheard of inventory levels,” Exxon Senior Vice President Neil Chapman said at a recent conference. “Once you get to that point, then you’ll see price shoot up.”

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So far, the closure of the Strait of Hormuz has not led to a major economic disaster. That won't last forever. (Original Post) Celerity 21 hrs ago OP
There appears to be demand destruction WSHazel 19 hrs ago #1
Lots of things become possible and economically feasible at greater than $100 per barrel. Hugin 6 hrs ago #10
The world is going to look very different next year SamuelTheThird 16 hrs ago #2
Disagree. The U.S. will be worse off WSHazel 9 hrs ago #4
How? SamuelTheThird 7 hrs ago #5
I saw an article recently... Chemical Bill 13 hrs ago #3
Oil is not energy for cities. It's gasoline and diesel and chemicals. Melon 6 hrs ago #9
Hence electric cars.... Chemical Bill 36 min ago #11
I forgot about heat pumps. Chemical Bill 32 min ago #12
I think a recession here is all but guaranteed Johnny2X2X 6 hrs ago #6
Since Trump's tariffs debacle, nearly all countries are working deals around the US. Same here as much as RoeVWade 6 hrs ago #7
The moron is dragging it out so he can claim credit for the 'recovery' before the midterms dalton99a 6 hrs ago #8

WSHazel

(875 posts)
1. There appears to be demand destruction
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 09:32 PM
19 hrs ago

Somewhere in the neighborhood of about 5.5 million barrels a day, and that number is likely going up. The elasticity of demand for oil seems to have increased, and as oil gets above $100/barrel, demand starts to drop. This is great news if it is sustained. The world is switching to alternatives.

Hugin

(38,041 posts)
10. Lots of things become possible and economically feasible at greater than $100 per barrel.
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 10:58 AM
6 hrs ago

Including synth fuels. It will take some time, the rest of the world will respond.

WSHazel

(875 posts)
4. Disagree. The U.S. will be worse off
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 08:22 AM
9 hrs ago

The rest of the world will be in better shape in a year.

SamuelTheThird

(1,339 posts)
5. How?
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 09:56 AM
7 hrs ago

The World Economic Forum’s May 2026 Chief Economists’ Outlook finds that 89% of the chief economists surveyed expect global growth to weaken over the next 12 months, and more than one in five expect it to weaken significantly.

Chemical Bill

(3,225 posts)
3. I saw an article recently...
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 03:31 AM
13 hrs ago

The premise was that the oil in the Mideast goes mostly to China. The PTB are using TSF to attack China by denying oil.

What the article didn't mention is that China added more renewables in a year than the US has in total.

Whatever happens will not be comfortable for us. But a different article I saw suggests that TSF is doing more for renewable energy than anyone has previously been able. That may be our silver lining to this cloud.

Melon

(1,787 posts)
9. Oil is not energy for cities. It's gasoline and diesel and chemicals.
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 10:52 AM
6 hrs ago

Renewable energy is electricity.
These are two different things that overlap but not by much. China is has more renewables but their oil consumption ( until the recent shortage) increased. You should not confuse the two.

Chemical Bill

(3,225 posts)
11. Hence electric cars....
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 04:47 PM
36 min ago

I've run cars on biodiesel as well. I also know that everything made from petroleum can be made from vegetable oil. Was it Chevron that used to advertise about how they were studying fuels from algae?Economics dictates what sources are used. And the economics are changing.

Yes, renewables are generally electricity. Yes, let's not confuse people.

Chemical Bill

(3,225 posts)
12. I forgot about heat pumps.
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 04:51 PM
32 min ago

Yes, people are heating their houses with electricity instead of #2 fuel oil or natural gas.

Johnny2X2X

(24,478 posts)
6. I think a recession here is all but guaranteed
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 10:27 AM
6 hrs ago

But the markets are so divorced from the economy now, they'll still go up.

RoeVWade

(942 posts)
7. Since Trump's tariffs debacle, nearly all countries are working deals around the US. Same here as much as
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 10:33 AM
6 hrs ago

possible. I can't see anyone else going to war with Iran, so deals it is, but NOT the way Trumpo wants.

dalton99a

(95,744 posts)
8. The moron is dragging it out so he can claim credit for the 'recovery' before the midterms
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 10:44 AM
6 hrs ago

And the delay is fattening the profits of American oil companies - it is also of great help to Putin




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