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UpInArms

(54,887 posts)
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 07:18 AM 10 hrs ago

Fortune: The U.S. attacked Iran to show its power but the war is already lost. Epic Fury looks like an Epic Fail

The U.S.-Israeli war on Iran is already lost for the United States. Even if Iran is militarily defeated, it is unlikely the United States’ political objectives will be achieved. And, on balance, the United States will come out weakened from this war.

President Trump’s biggest problem lies in his attempt to square an impossible circle: imposing regime change in Iran without committing ground troops. Trump understands that neither his MAGA base nor the U.S. public has any appetite for another prolonged ground war in the Middle East. But regime change from the air does not work for a 90 million-strong country that is four times the size of Iraq and has been preparing for this eventuality for decades. The United States is beleaguered by the paradox of a leadership wanting to reimpose its global might through coercion and hard power and a population fundamentally opposed to any war that entails a significant expenditure of U.S. lives.

Why Iran Is Harder to Break Than It Looks

Despite all the talk of a downgraded Iran in the last two years, recent events have demonstrated the country’s capacity to resist. Iran’s resilience relies on a military and security architecture that is highly decentralized, with overlapping command structures between the regular armed forces and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Recent days have shown how thoroughly Iran has developed extensive contingency planning designed to ensure continuity even under sustained attack. Airstrikes on Iran’s leadership have been ineffective — possibly even counterproductive, given their radicalizing effect on pro-government sectors of the population and their triggering of predetermined war protocols.

Equally important, Iran’s strategy is built around asymmetric warfare and escalation management. Its arsenal of weapons and proxy networks allow it to reap chaos across the region while imposing high costs on its adversaries. Iranian drones and missiles are relatively cheap to produce, but shooting them down requires interceptors that cost as much as 200 times more — and are limited in supply.

This leaves Trump facing a strategic trap. He must choose between the political cost of failing to achieve his regime change objectives and the political cost of walking back on his domestic promise of no more forever wars. The only viable exit strategy is to manufacture the appearance of victory: declaring that the objectives have been met even when they clearly have not.

More at:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/u-attacked-iran-show-power-151200758.html

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Fortune: The U.S. attacked Iran to show its power but the war is already lost. Epic Fury looks like an Epic Fail (Original Post) UpInArms 10 hrs ago OP
Epic fail. That's how everyone should refer to it kerouac2 10 hrs ago #1
How about 'Epstein Fail'. notinkansas 6 hrs ago #14
It all reminds me of the film "Wag the Dog" and the Bush years on steroids (again)... Moostache 6 hrs ago #19
I think probably most (or all) Democrats have given up on Fetterman. notinkansas 5 hrs ago #22
Operation Epsteino Distracto quakerboy 5 hrs ago #21
I'm not sure that it failed in that sense - it has greatly distracted from the Epstein files n/t whopis01 4 hrs ago #25
That works too MustLoveBeagles 6 hrs ago #20
Iran still has oil infrastructure and ports OC375 10 hrs ago #2
And our gulf allies have huge exposure IbogaProject 7 hrs ago #4
bingo oldinmtdem92 7 hrs ago #8
It's the Stick in Siege Warfare in the J.I.T. Era of Civilization OC375 7 hrs ago #13
Trump and Bibi didn't really think this through IbogaProject 6 hrs ago #18
Probably a bit of both! OC375 4 hrs ago #24
"Looks like"? It is an Epic Fail. mwmisses4289 9 hrs ago #3
Never underestimate your enemy. BattleRow 7 hrs ago #5
He always copies previous political stunts. He can't go walk among the people like Putin and Larijani. ChicagoTeamster 7 hrs ago #6
DURec leftstreet 7 hrs ago #7
Yes this was an excellent read underpants 3 hrs ago #28
I hope Trump declares victory and cases the attack. The sooner the better. Martin68 7 hrs ago #9
TFG never stops digging the hole he is in UpInArms 7 hrs ago #10
No, Trump has backed down a number of times. That's how her got the nickname TACO. I don't know if Martin68 7 hrs ago #11
You are absolutely correct Cosmocat 6 hrs ago #16
That's why I'm hoping for too Takket 6 hrs ago #17
Renewables. Now! SpankMe 7 hrs ago #12
Hard to believe you can meet objectives when you don't have any Takket 6 hrs ago #15
That's what you do when you've been expecting this shit since Carter. paleotn 5 hrs ago #23
This article makes it sound like Trump is weighing alternatives rationally. That is complete bullshit. Bluetus 4 hrs ago #26
MBS and AIPAC leveraged their influence on TrumpenFuhrer to attack Iran - to think the SlobFather thought it through or NoMoreRepugs 3 hrs ago #27
Every move Krasnov makes... Every word he utters... ultralite001 2 hrs ago #29
"Epic Fury"? sakabatou 2 hrs ago #30

kerouac2

(1,495 posts)
1. Epic fail. That's how everyone should refer to it
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 07:30 AM
10 hrs ago

Although a narcissistic psychopath will get more enraged and do more harm in the face of ridicule like that.

Only way to get out of it may be to tell him how great he did and that he can call it a raging success and stop now.

Tho it's no longer his decision as to when it ends... Iran would have to decide to also and they are pissed.

Moostache

(11,153 posts)
19. It all reminds me of the film "Wag the Dog" and the Bush years on steroids (again)...
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 11:12 AM
6 hrs ago

I am despondent over the state of the country and the world today. Literally alternating tears and rage fits. There is no doubt this is taking years off my life and is poisoning my soul because I honestly wake up each day and hope today is the day he dies. Today is the day that we stop the descent...and then Fetterman stabs the party in the back and advances ANOTHER lunatic (Mullins) into positions of power and I'm left shaking again.

Can we all at least stop pretending that John Fetterman is rational and on our side in any way, shape or form? With "Deomocrats" like him, who needs Republicans?

I am pleading with the universe to have mercy on us all and bring this era to a screeching end...PLEASE!!!!

notinkansas

(1,314 posts)
22. I think probably most (or all) Democrats have given up on Fetterman.
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 12:16 PM
5 hrs ago

Lots of people regretting the support they gave to his campaign - me included.

whopis01

(3,918 posts)
25. I'm not sure that it failed in that sense - it has greatly distracted from the Epstein files n/t
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 01:20 PM
4 hrs ago

IbogaProject

(5,848 posts)
4. And our gulf allies have huge exposure
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 09:37 AM
7 hrs ago

Both the USA and the world economy will lose from this. I think this will collapse our AI bubble and lead to a global recession.

OC375

(860 posts)
13. It's the Stick in Siege Warfare in the J.I.T. Era of Civilization
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 10:30 AM
7 hrs ago

He figures if he can draw this out, Europe won't have much choice but to break the siege by...

1. Joining the US, meaning Trump, in taking over Iran to secure the economy, for profit. It's basically a heist, without a crew yet.

2. Driving the US out of the gulf (Unlikely, but in Trumpland, losses to "jerks" are "wins" that validate his misunderstood genius)

3. Sanction trade with the US, which is obviously fine with him. It's his brand.

4. Burn the world order down entirely, which I think is really then end goal anyway, and probably not what he markets it as.

He also has VZ, Cuba and Narcoterrorism buttons to push to bring countries to the table, or drive them from participating in disgust, or create a new victim to dogpile on with new un-salvory allies (Imagine a Putin-Trump war on drugs (quest for gold) in South America).

He's really done a number on us in a short time if you think about it.



IbogaProject

(5,848 posts)
18. Trump and Bibi didn't really think this through
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 10:52 AM
6 hrs ago

Or worse they and their ilk think they can game a global economic crisis.

ChicagoTeamster

(881 posts)
6. He always copies previous political stunts. He can't go walk among the people like Putin and Larijani.
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 10:10 AM
7 hrs ago

Last edited Thu Mar 19, 2026, 01:38 PM - Edit history (1)

So, he'll probably do a "Mission Accomplished" photo op, or a meeting with Netanyahu like Hitler with Benito Mussolini at the Wolf's Lair. Or, on Hitler's 56th birthday 10 days before his suicide, he appeared in the Reich Chancellery garden to award Iron Crosses to members of the Hitler Youth.

Maybe a Mar a Lago photo op with Bibi and Kushner?
Someone's 80th birthday is coming up. Who will he give medals to? Air Force Academy Turning Point members?

UpInArms

(54,887 posts)
10. TFG never stops digging the hole he is in
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 10:25 AM
7 hrs ago

He just doubles down on his lies and bullying

Martin68

(27,614 posts)
11. No, Trump has backed down a number of times. That's how her got the nickname TACO. I don't know if
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 10:29 AM
7 hrs ago

he'll back down this time, but I hope for the country and the rest of the world that he does. As for the craven Republican congress who refuse to perform the constitutional duty to take control of a horrendous situation, there is a special place in Hell reserved for them.

Cosmocat

(15,406 posts)
16. You are absolutely correct
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 10:39 AM
6 hrs ago

For some reason his party kicked back enough that he gave up on "taking" Greenland as one example. His base is so 100% brainwashed and the media so 100% servile that he can do complete bout faces and they just live in the moment.

I mean, six months ago he had breathlessly going on about he was the PRESIDENT OF PEACE and DEMONCRATS LOVE ENDLESS WARS, and now somehow has the dipshits going at the SAME TIME how this really is not a war AND that he is ending a 48 year war.

They make their own reality and because this country saw fit to give MAGA unchecked power we all have to live in it.

That said ... he let Bibi dogwalk him into a cave he can't really get out of.

While he could just do the declare victory and pull our military out, Israel isn't going to stop and Iran will be forced to keep going because of Israel.

Now, they will blame it on all of our former allies that he spent a year verbally harganging, blowing up estalished commerce agreements and tarriffing, but, end of the day we will continue to suffer the effects of his setting the ME on fire.

SpankMe

(3,707 posts)
12. Renewables. Now!
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 10:30 AM
7 hrs ago

From the article:

Some analysts have also argued that the energy shock could further accelerate a global transition toward renewables, raising global demand for Chinese solar panels, electric vehicles, and batteries.

So China will step up and dominate the global markets in solar and electric vehicles now. The US will be left in the dust - dependent on China rather than a leader in renewables.

Trump is currently committing to spend up to a billion dollars to stop a French wind farm frm being built off New York and the Carolinas. He'll cancel their leases and then pay them off about $1B in exchange for them not suing. That's $1B of US taxpayer money in exchange for lowering our energy independence: https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/us-weighs-settlement-about-1-billion-with-totalenergies-blocking-wind-farms-nyt-2026-03-17/.

The US has pretty much passed any other country in pure assholicness.

Takket

(23,687 posts)
15. Hard to believe you can meet objectives when you don't have any
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 10:37 AM
6 hrs ago

Other than Hegseth trying to sound like a badass at every press conference.

paleotn

(22,140 posts)
23. That's what you do when you've been expecting this shit since Carter.
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 12:20 PM
5 hrs ago

Though certainly not nice folks by any means, they're very far from stupid. And that's why they're tougher to crack than Shitler, Whisky Pete and the other minions imagined. Guys at DoD knew since they've been gaming this since Carter, and kept telling them the truth. They refused to listen. A real world example of the war of expertise and the ramifications.

Bluetus

(2,712 posts)
26. This article makes it sound like Trump is weighing alternatives rationally. That is complete bullshit.
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 01:31 PM
4 hrs ago

and Forbes should be ashamed of themselves for writing such garbage.

I mean, the arguments made in the article are true, and with any other President, perhaps this would be a reasonable description of the situation. But not Trump. This guy is senile, and before he was senile, he was stupid beyond belief. This is a guy who thinks you can open the Strait by having Germany float some frigates. A person doesn't have to graduate from West Point to know how absurd that is.

Ultimately there are two reasons Trump did this. 1) Bebe was the last guy in his ear before Trump launched this thing. 2) You have to go back to those tweets where he said that Obama would attack Iran in order to boost his approval ratings.

It really is no more complicated than this. Trump thought that, by being "strong", the NATO countries would follow him into this quagmire, and Trump would be celebrated as the triumphant war hero.

And that movie is still playing in his senile mind.

NoMoreRepugs

(12,015 posts)
27. MBS and AIPAC leveraged their influence on TrumpenFuhrer to attack Iran - to think the SlobFather thought it through or
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 01:48 PM
3 hrs ago

didn't act based on the instructions/advice of others is foolish IMO.

ultralite001

(2,532 posts)
29. Every move Krasnov makes... Every word he utters...
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 02:37 PM
2 hrs ago

shows the world how far the US has fallen...

how weak we have become...

how untrustworthy we are...

It will take generations to restore America's standing in the world...

The "United" States are due for their own regime change...

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