Stephen Miller Mocked For Begging William Shatner To Save 'Star Trek' From Wokeness

[USS_Dauntless]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stephen-miller-william-shatner-wokeness_n_696a67c8e4b018dc941d87c9

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller took a brief moment away from his goal of deporting immigrants in order to offer a suggestion on how to improve “Star Trek.”

And, yes, he was mocked.

The franchise’s latest show, “Starfleet Academy,” debuted this week on Paramount Plus and, true to the original vision, shows characters from different backgrounds working together for a greater cause.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stephen-miller-william-shatner-wokeness_n_696a67c8e4b018dc941d87c9

Yes, Star Trek is "woke" and we fucking LIKE it that way!

In Vulcan philosophy, there's a concept called IDIC. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. Star Trek CELEBRATES diversity and always has.

Fuck Reichsführer Voldemort, Fuck Führer Trump and FUCK MAGA!

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

1. Did Shatner say he'd try?

Asking for a friend.

Posted with apologies:

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[soldierant]

48. Do you know how many of these there are?

And did you know Shatner was in "Judgment at Nuremberg"? He played an aide to one of the prosecutors - one scene, not on the courtroom and if you blinked, you missed it, but he was there.

[CTyankee]

96. Yep. Great movie. Hubby and I have watched it several times when it has been shown on TV.

[pat_k]

83. On the weird stuff Shatner has done front, don't forget Incubus

Movie in Esperanto (a constructed, international auxiliary language created by L. L. Zamenhof in 1887)

[Lovie777]

2. Star Trek in itself believed in everyone one, every species, every alien........

be respected, and to get along with each, which included science, education, knowledge and respect for all beliefs as long as the belief didn't try to kill you.

Yes, Star Trek is woke and proud of D.E.I.

[3catwoman3]

3. Star Trek is the very definition of woke...

…and always has been.

[ProfessorGAC]

4. Yep, For 6 Decades

Miller is 5x dumber than how smart he believes himself to be.

[calimary]

25. He could learn a few things if he spent some of his time watching "Star Trek".

But if he wants to remain a truly unscrupulous Ferengi, I say we let him.

[vapor2]

75. I just hope someone stops his white nationalist America ideology.

[moose65]

90. I'll say!

He needs to change his name to Stephen Dunning-Kruger (sp?) 🙄

[MustLoveBeagles]

45. Right

Gene Roddenberry did it that way on purpose.

[liberalla]

50. How can Miller be a Star Trek fan and not know that?

How can he think he'll have any effect on the program now?
Like, he's so important that he can influence the very essence of Star Trek?

[Bristlecone]

72. No kidding.

There was a post here a while ago with an interview of Nichelle Nichols re: her role, her meeting MLK, and Gene Roddenberry’s vision for the show.

I’ll find it and add it on edit. It’s interesting.

Added:

[2naSalit]

5. That asshole with a head shaped like a...

Buttplug is going to go through some things, hopefully before he's hanged.

[Tadpole Raisin]

65. Buttplug - I did a loud guffaw on that one. Excellent! nt

[Dulcinea]

77. Pee Wee German should be mocked daily.

Freaking Nazi sh!tbag. I hope he gets what's coming to him.

[Bread and Circuses]

6. I watched the show, it's " off". IT's the casting ,,,.

The woman, who is cast as the chancellor , a starfleet captain was the wrong pick I think. I dint know if that’s her style of acting, but she feels scattered and not convincing as a command officer. I was looking forward to this series and I’m so disappointed. Perhaps the director “over-directed” her but I can’t watch it. It’s too bad, because she is an older woman in her 50’s and I thought that was interesting. The other cast members seem ok.

The storyline is not to my liking. I may try to watch it again.

And Star Trek has always been WOKE!!!

[SocialDemocrat61]

10. I assume the woman you're referring to is

Academy Award winning actress Holly Hunter.

[Bread and Circuses]

18. Must be. I just don't find her a good fit for the role. I'm sure she's accomplished .

[Tadpole Raisin]

66. Yah the dhow is terrible. But I don't know if she is a bad fit or not

because the writing is so bad. I feel like in the newer Star Treks they are trying to be more hip and relevant to the modern age and all it does is feel superficial. And communication between characters seems like shallow filler until the next and more ridiculous space battle with their sleek and shiny ships.

It is 2 dimensional. I don’t care about the people or their problems. Can you imagine how bad the Lord of the Rings trilogy would have been if written that way?

And I was enthralled with TOS right from the beginning. I’m WOKE and proud of it.

[Bread and Circuses]

71. Yes, the writing is subpar. I probably will try to watch another episode.

Just disappointing .

[slightlv]

58. Thank you for providing her name!!!

I watched it last night, and knew I recognized the voice... but couldn't put a name to it. Drove me crazy for awhile (LOL).

One of the reasons Star Trek has always been popular is because it is inclusive. The hardest thing Roddenberry had to do was to keep Nichelle Nichols on board. Censors didn't really want a woman... and especially a black woman... for the role. He went to bat for her, and the "kiss" between her and Shatner was a real moment of TV, IMO. Roddenberry and Serling were two of the best writers for inclusiveness and equality, IMO. They took somewhat different paths in genre, but still... both wrote thought provoking screenplays.

I liked the first episode, and am looking forward to the rest of the show. I still wish they'd do one with Crusher's son, picking up where they left off in Picard. It seemed like such a perfect setup for a new series. (shrug) But I LOVED the Jem'hadar/Klingon "Number One"... she was perfect for that role! I think like any new series, it may take a few episodes for it to find it's standing, but I have hopes for it being an enjoyable (if not formulaic) series.

I say the following without apologies... in these insane times in the United States, Star Trek is like settling in with an old friend for a few hours. It's comforting; its uplifting in its hopefulness. And I think we all need a hit of that from time to time.

[Xavier Breath]

12. That's Holly Hunter who's playing the academy chancellor.

I felt she did an okay job. My issue with the show after its first two eps is the teen romance nonsense. It was wholly unnecessary in Star Trek to this point (save the odd Wesley-Crusher-likes-a-girl episode from TNG) and it isn't needed now. If it turns into Star Trek: 90201 as so many feared, I won't stick around long.

[USS_Dauntless]

17. I just can't rock with the time period it's set in.

But not every piece of Star Trek media has to be for me. Some people like mint ice cream. I don't.

[Xavier Breath]

22. That's because mint has but a few legitimate places in our world: gum, toothpaste and Girl Scout cookies.

[Bread and Circuses]

20. I understand. I stopped watching 1/2 way into second episode.

[Xavier Breath]

23. Yeah, I thought the first ep was better and the second actually took a step back.

Here's hoping they reverse that trend next week.

[Silver Gaia]

70. I thought Holly Hunter did a great job!

She's playing a being who's over 400 years old and half-Lanthanite, a species given to eccentric behavior. Maybe that will explain what you saw? If you watched Strange New Worlds, you might remember Commander Pelia played by Carol Kane. She was a Lanthanite and was an oddball, too.

As for the youthful romances, I think that fits, too. It's all about the first generation of Starfleet Academy recruits in over 100 years (because of the Burn, which was part of Discovery), and romances are a big part of being young adults.

The show was promoted as a YA (Young Adult) show, so they want to attract young people. I knew that going in, and ya know what? I am all for that! Let them be attracted to the romances! Teenage girls will get their boyfriends to watch with them, and there they are soaking in the "wokeness" of the Star Trek universe!

And c'mon, Kirk sure had his share of romances. We all grew up with Star Trek as a part of our culture. I am all for attracting today's youth to become part of that same culture. Wake them up, too!

I think the show had a strong first 2 episodes. By the end of the first episode, the main characters were well-defined, and by the end of the second, those characters were further developed and some new ones had been added and defined. To be honest, I was pleasantly surprised!

I actually enjoy YA shows, so I've watched quite a few for comparison. I find them lighthearted, optimistic, and just fun. I watch plenty of high-end dramas, too, but these are what I reach for late at night when I can't sleep. That said, this was definitely a high-end YA show. It's Star Trek! There's plenty of shows in the Star Trek universe to appeal to a wide range of viewers. I watch and support them all.

I hope this one DOES attract a YA audience. The right is already scrambling to bring it down for being "too woke." I will keep watching it to help it succeed, so it has a chance to influence younger generations. AND because I think it's a damn good show, and I enjoyed it. Sometimes, I think we also need to open our minds and embrace new things.

[Xavier Breath]

76. True, we do need to keep our minds open and embrace new things.

I guess I just draw the line at YA slop. YMMV.

Darn, there goes my open-mindedness slipping again.

[Silver Gaia]

82. I was referring to embracing yet another version of Star Trek,

one that might draw in younger viewers whose minds might need to be exposed to the "woke" values of the same universe we cherished in our youth. It had nothing to do with YOU embracing what you termed "YA slop" (which it is not). So sorry you chose to be offended by my desire to see young minds inspired by the same values we once were (assuming we are of the same generation). I am a teacher, so perhaps we see things differently. Impressing these values on young people by any means is something I will welcome, and yes, embrace. Goodnight to you.

[electric_blue68]

26. Haven't seen it yet, but I think you should at least see ?3 episodes to make a more informed opinion....

Original ST watcher.
When TNG debuted I watched it, but it wasn't till some time in season 3 that it really took off for me.

I've seen them all, enjoyed them to vasrious degrees all except for the original animated show which I only watched a little.

[USS_Dauntless]

39. What do you think of Lower Decks?

[Xavier Breath]

43. Looking back on the first season of TNG, man, it was dreck.

That's why I'm hesitant to bail too early on any new ST offering. Discovery is the only one I ever walked away from.

[electric_blue68]

55. One of my favorite TNG eps is from S1, - E5.

"Where No One Has Gone Before" by Diane Duane

Who wrote a very cool, "trippy" unusual TOS novel called "Wounded Sky". Got it from the Science Fiction Book Club waaay back. I should see some day if I can find a paperback version as my original is long gone.

[USS_Dauntless]

59. That was an awesome episode.

[electric_blue68]

64. Glad you enjoyed it!

[Xavier Breath]

78. That was the one with The Traveler, correct?

That was a decent episode, now that you mention it.

[electric_blue68]

79. Yup

[SocialDemocrat61]

7. Star Trek woke?

[Kid Berwyn]

8. Musk and Thiel will meet him in the Transporter Room one day.

I can’t wait.

[SSJVegeta]

9. Not sure what's more woke than having sex with a new alien every week

But Shatners still probably done it

[eppur_se_muova]

11. Someone needs to give Miller a biography of Gene Roddenberry, flaming liberal "influencer" ...

“If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear.”
― Gene Roddenberry


“Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there.”
― Gene Roddenberry


from https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43942.Gene_Roddenberry

[wcmagumba]

29. Love it, I'm so glad I got to meet Gene Roddenberry back in the 70s...

[malaise]

31. Perfect

Rec

[Srkdqltr]

13. Star Trek and MASH. 2 of the most woke shows .

[calimary]

27. Two of my all time favorites!

[mucifer]

84. I disagree about MASH. Lots of cringy stuff

If you watch it now

The main characters were all white except for a few early episodes with “Spearchchucker Jones “ who had no lines and nurse Kelly who had one episode where she had more than one or two lines. Lots of the Koreans on the show were pretty offensive stereotypes.

[Xavier Breath]

86. And in two early episodes Margaret is sexually assaulted by visiting physicians and it's played for laughs.

[mucifer]

87. Yeah, lots of old shows that seemed very liberal have some horrible stuff in them. Barney Miller had an episode

where the main joke was marital rape. I am not kidding. A woman accused her husband of rape. Soooo funny. Of course everything worked out in the end.

Yup they did have lots of episodes with the liberal point of view. But, that one just for me destroyed the whole show.

[Xavier Breath]

88. I must confess that M*A*S*H is one of my all-time favorites.

It premiered when I was five and last aired when I was a sophomore in high school, so I literally grew up watching it. My parents loved it too, and we watched re-runs together even years later. Still, despite those characters having been present for a large part of my life and the good outweighing the bad, I now occasionally shake my head when watching.

[BigmanPigman]

14. He even dressed up in Star Trek outfits...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed/jimmy-kimmel-humiliates-virgin-stephen-miller-with-yearbook-pics/

[Xavier Breath]

15. Please, Scotty, beam him out of here.

[USS_Dauntless]

16. Into space.

[Tadpole Raisin]

68. 'Widest possible dispersion' nt

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

19. Miller probably seriously studies ..

... the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition


https://www.st-minutiae.com/resources/rulesofacquisition.html

[Bread and Circuses]

21. Excellent

[calimary]

32. LOVE this one!

Maybe he IS a Ferengi. In disguise, of course.

[progressoid]

24. I know (knew) someone who is a trekker and a trumper

He is a life long Trek fan and evangelical right wing Trump supporter.



I say knew because I hope to never see him again.

[Swede]

33. Likes Star Trek and a Trumper?

[USS_Dauntless]

44. There is simply no logic to be found, Mr. Spock.

[JHB]

56. Kirk kicks always ass and gets the girl

That's the part they see. The rest flies over their heads.

[wcmagumba]

34. How is that even possible? Sounds like a moron to not see the conflict...

[USS_Dauntless]

40. There are Trump-loving BABYLON 5 fans.

Talk about being media illiterate.

[electric_blue68]

62. Ohhhh, boy....

😑

I'm doing a full rewatch. Just finished Voices of Authority last night. "Good ole Night Watch", (and said in Lodo's voice) > yesss?

I never got a good look (bc I had a so so TV back then) at certain details which even though I'm streaming on my phone I can stop, go back etc, and see very clearly.
Just saw the anti-Presidennt Clark signs the shop keeper was getting harassed by NW tor.

[Big B5 fan]

[Wiz Imp]

57. One of my closest friends was brainwashed by listening to Rush Limbaugh and other talk radio

So he became a big Republican supporter. His 2 favorite TVshows have always been Star Trek & M*A*S*H, the 2 most seminal openly liberal TV shows. His favorite musical artists are the Beatles and Bruce Springsteen, 2 stongly openly liberal musical artists. I've never understood it. How can someone who loves Star Trek, MASH, The Beatles & Bruce Springsteen support politicians who embody the complete opposite philosophies of those TV shows and musicians? I've always hoped he'd eventually realize that he's been sold a bogus bill of goods by talk radio, and his favorite entertainment best reflects what's actually in his heart. But so far no luck.

[progressoid]

73. It boggles the mind.

My former friend had always leaned right but that was old school GOP. Sometime after college he started believing everything he heard from his church. Public schools are bad. Democrats are socialists. Etc.

Now he's off the deep end. Full Trumper. I've had "discussions" with him about how he reconciles his faith with Trump's actions. He ignores anything that challenges these bizarre contradictions. He has too much invested (mentally, emotionally, and even financially) in the MAGA life to admit an error.

It's kind of sad but I don't have the time or desire to deal with it anymore. So he's out of my life.

[Wiz Imp]

74. I don't think my friend is that far gone, but I can't be sure.

I cut off most contact with him after Trump won in 2016. I last talked to him 3 years ago. I hold out hope I can reconnect with him in the future but I'm not overconfident about it.

My sister-in-law, on the other hand has gone full on bat-shit crazy. I honestly don't know what hapened to her other, like my friend, being brainwashed by talk radio. (And to be clear, it was talk radio that got to both of them long before Fox. They just latched onto Fox after they were already hooked. Too many people here discount the influence of talk radio. In reality, it has been far more insidious than Fox News.) My brother, who used to be very liberal has turned into a Republican too, but I've never gotten the impression he's anywhere near as far gone as his wife. I honestly don't know where he stands on Trump at this point. I'm scared to ask him because I don't want to know if he's gone full MAGA - it would break my heart. I refuse to visit them because I don't want to face her.

I just never envisioned any of them were as weak of mind as they've turned out to be so as to be influenced so much by Right Wing propaganda. They didn't used to be that way. Their tranformations have proven to me that Brainwashing is very much a real thing and the main instrument by which the right gets people to support them and vote 100% against their personal interests.

[fujiyamasan]

67. I thought Peter Thiel said the empire in Star Wars were the good guys

Seriously weird people.

Knowing him he’ll name his next company Mordor.

[Initech]

28. Star Trek has been around for 6 decades.

This whole bullshit with things being "woke" has only been around for 5 years. Guess which one will survive?

[electric_blue68]

30. Get a clue, Nazi lover!

[TygrBright]

35. Rodenberry was woke long before woke was even a thing. n/t

[paleotn]

38. Seriously! +1000

[MustLoveBeagles]

49. Yup 👍

[paleotn]

36. Dude? Star Trek's been woke as hell since the 60's

These fucking kids.

[Jimvanhise]

37. ALWAYS WOKE. IS CALLED INTEGRATION.

In 1966 NBC was bothered by Spock (pointed ears! What is that all about?). An Asian and a black woman on the bridge. Some southern stations wouldn't show TV shows which had black people on them. When was the last time Stephen Miller even watched television in the last 60 years? Star Trek Strange New Worlds has included gay characters. Even Donald Trump can't do anything about that.

[USS_Dauntless]

47. The relationship between Garak and Bashir was a gay relationship.

The actors themselves said as much.

[bmichaelh]

41. Undiscovered Country

There were reports that Roddenberry hated Undiscovered Country where there are Federation officers that hate the Klingons.

He believed humanity would have gotten over its hatreds by then.

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-10-movies-episodes-roddenberry-hated/

[USS_Dauntless]

46. Star Trek VI is my favorite TOS movie.

And Kirk himself said "You Klingon bastards!" in ST:III.

[Intractable]

80. I saw an interview with Shatner where he disowned the line "Let them die" referring to the Klingons.

Shatner plainly said that the director (Meyer) tricked him into saying it, promising that it would not be in the final cut.

Shatner did not want to say it, according to Shatner.

The Klingon Kruge killed Kirk's (wimpy) son in ST:III. If memory serves (a Spock phrase), the Klingon vessel in ST:V is named "The Kruge." The Klingons were proud of him.

So far, it's awful. If Star Trek Academy does not rapidly improve, there will be no need to save ST from wokeness. The ratings will do it in.

Section 31, you say?

[Xavier Breath]

85. I'm going to have to disagree with Bill on this one.

It's a great line and gives the scene a bit of visceral attitude it would otherwise be missing.

Two episodes in and I'm 'meh' with it, and I preferred ep one to two. I didn't see the issue in the first ep with providing Caleb's backstory that some online seemed to have. And, any chance to include Paul Giamatti in a scene is ok with me.

There is room for improvement and if they take advantage of those opportunities then I'll keep watching.

[hadEnuf]

42. Some how I don't think "Nazi Trek" would work too well.

[FakeNoose]

51. Stephen Miller doesn't seem to realize that William Shatner is an immigrant?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shatner

Born and raised in Quebec, Canada in 1931.

[pfitz59]

52. Has he never seen the show?

Randy Captain Kirk slept with anyone or anything he could get his horny little hands on. I bet he rubbed one out with a Tribble.

[AllaN01Bear]

53. hem.

[Intractable]

54. I always wondered why IDIC, a Vulcan concept, has its acronym and meaning spelled out in English.

IDIC. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.

[Javaman]

60. Please show the fucking nazi

The episode where Kirk kisses Uhura.

[viva la]

61. Gene Roddenbury was very woke for his time.

The Enterprise bridge was quite diverse.

It's always so idiotic when someone criticizes a S/F/F story for having characters who are not white American humans. You don't need to go into space to hang out with them. You just need to go to Trump cabinet meetings (but are those "humans?" Hmmm).

[muriel_volestrangler]

63. If you look at the replies on the deepfake porn site formerly known as Twitter, it's that the women

are not size 0 in short skirts. This is a "I am a MAN!!!! Display yourselves for my pleasure!" whine.

[edbermac]

69. Didn't Shatner kiss a black woman on that show?

Get a clue, Stephen.

[Intractable]

81. Kissing is not enough -- Roddenberry had an affair with her.

Before marrying Majel Barrett.

[Collimator]

89. Grrr! I always hate it when Right-Wing types make a claim to Star Trek.

But then again, people's ability to take a particular source material and distort it to fit their thought processes is as old as the Bible.

Also would like to remind Miller that the Vulcans, while dedicated to logic, were not as cold-hearted as he is. They were a decent culture who saw no sense in hatred, and who were not motivated by fear.

[Pluvious]

91. It makes you wonder if the Nazi moron is even aware...

... that William Shatner is a Canadian actor

Origin: Shatner was born in Montreal, Canada, in 1931, and attended McGill University there before starting his acting career in Canada with the CBC and Montreal Children's Theatre.

Career: He is celebrated as a Canadian icon for his extensive work in television and film, including Star Trek, TJ Hooker, and Boston Legal, notes Britannica.

Citizenship: While he became famous in the U.S. and has a long career there, he maintains his Canadian roots and is often referred to as a Canadian actor.

[sakabatou]

92. I mean, it's not like it shared one of the first, if not the first interracial kiss on screen

[iemanja]

93. Star Trek was "woke" from the beginning

From the 1960s. I had a diverse cast and did some memorable episodes like the one with the enemies who were half black and white but on the different sides of their face. If that wasn't a comment on the stupidity of racism, nothing was.

[Clouds Passing]

94. Could you imagine if the universe was stocked with nothing but human white MAGAT males? That's their delusion

[Collimator]

95. There was a Star Trek TOS Episode called "Cat's Paw". . .

. . . In which the aliens, (dressed in human "suits" ) tried to bribe Kirk with rubies and other gemstones. Kirk disdainfully pointed out that they could manufacture a ton of those on his ship. So, Star Trek isn't just woke, it's post-Capitalist, a point that they really drove home in TNG.

[Figarosmom]

97. Star Trek has always

Bee "woke". Their directive is woke.

It's SCI- FI Which in itself is woke because it's fiction about Science.

[Ray Bruns]

98. Amazing

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