Gov Newsome triangulating again.

[Shipwack]

Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-Calif.) thinks Democrats need to rein in some of their cultural politics if they want to win over more voters.

“I think there’s a broader narrative that we ought to address,” Newsom said Wednesday at The New York Times’ DealBook Summit. “We have to be more culturally normal. We have to be a little less judgmental.”

The California governor didn’t spell out what he meant by “culturally normal,” but he has recently been a critic of what he calls “woke culture.”

I guess he feels the need to move toward the “center” again to stay relevant…

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gavin-newsom-tells-democrats-culturally-normal_n_6931dfa1e4b0824b6df8a368

[leftstreet]

1. WTF is "culturally normal?"

Ugh, he is so impossibly 90s centrist

[Nixie]

14. I would say this is a great example of what he's talking about.

Centrist is a fringe idea of some kind of slur against normal people.

[LudwigPastorius]

15. Code for "don't talk about trans or non-binary rights"?

[LuvLoogie]

82. rich White male "christian"

w/season tickets

[Jack Valentino]

114. None of the "centrists" would ever mock or attack Trump as much as

Gavin does and is....

[Deuxcents]

2. I think he's saying we need better messaging to get our values out..more on point

[Silent Type]

3. Can't say at this point whether that's right or wrong AS FAR AS winning some states we need in 2028. I hate

we are in the position that some candidates— not just Newsom — believe the same thing. It’s sad, but plenty of election postmortems said the same.

There are places like NYC who will laugh at his “woke” awakening, but other places where it might make a 5% difference over next few years.

[Blasphemer]

4. He's swinging to the center way too soon

IF we have elections in 2028, the GOP will be in tatars. It will be like 2008 (if not worse) for them. I'd hold off on making presumptions about what messaging will work 3 years from now. I suspect Dems will have great leeway in the kind of platform that can be successful.

[maxsolomon]

64. 2026 comes first.

You don't take a seat from a Repuke incumbent by running to the left of left.

Obama didn't win by running as far left as possible. He won with charisma and unifying, aspirational rhetoric.

[Raven123]

5. Ok. What is culturally normal?

[maxsolomon]

65. You know what it is.

We all know what it is.

[muriel_volestrangler]

68. The implication of Newsom's other sentences is "it's anti-immigration"

See the longer quote in #17. Is that what "we all know what it is"? I hope not.

I really don't think that we all know what it is. I think it's deliberately vague.

[usonian]

6. First, please spell his name right.

Second, I have been watching the wildly successful anti-oligarchy tour by Bernie and AOC.

It's not the cyclical economy, it's the concentration of over 90% of wealth in America by a few people.

And that's on the marquee.

At each rally issues of rights always come up and are well-received, even in red states.

The GOP is very much into what-about-ism, distracting from the (pardon the expression) elephant in the room. Oligarchical ownership of this country, its business and politicians. Like so.



EYES OFF THE PRIZE.

EYES OFF EPSTEIN.

So, I would say that he is urging the party to lead with the one biggest issue, that causes economic hardship, and which gets the oligarchs to manage the discussion away from it by making elections all about IMPORTANT social and rights issues, but using them as triggers for rage, their political operating system.

When you play back a Bernie-AOC rally, you get the impression that they are attacking the prime cause as job one, and are still extremely strong on social and rights issues.

The point is to win, and then good things come with winning.
You can't change their nuked "hearts and minds" but you can win and pass legislation for the betterment of society.
At that point. "It's the law"

In an early post, I quoted Ibram X. Kendi.

https://democraticunderground.com/100216524810

This is from the epilogue of "Stamped From the Beginning", by Ibram X Kendi.

Protesting against racist power and succeeding can never be mistaken for seizing power. Any effective solution to eradicating American racism must involve Americans committed to antiracist policies seizing and maintaining power over institutions, neighborhoods, counties, states, nations—the world. It makes no sense to sit back and put the future in the hands of people committed to racist policies, or people who regularly sail with the wind of self-interest, toward racism today, toward antiracism tomorrow. An antiracist America can only be guaranteed if principled antiracists are in power, and then antiracist policies become the law of the land, and then antiracist ideas become the common sense of the people, and then the antiracist common sense of the people holds those antiracist leaders and policies accountable.

And that day is sure to come. No power lasts forever. There will come a time when Americans will realize that the only thing wrong with Black people is that they think something is wrong with Black people. There will come a time when racist ideas will no longer obstruct us from seeing the complete and utter abnormality of racial disparities. There will come a time when we will love humanity, when we will gain the courage to fight for an equitable society for our beloved humanity, knowing , intelligently, that when we fight for humanity, we are fighting for ourselves. There will come a time. Maybe, just maybe, that time is now.

Lead with your strength, pound it in mercilessly, and good will come when you win.

Social betterment is the end, if not the means, in a corrosive environment.

Eyes on that prize. But you gotta win first. Got to get a little dirty to beat fascism and bigotry?
You bet.

EAT THE RICH
Watch "Specialty of the House" by Alfred Hitchcock Presents.
Spoiler article
https://thecannibalguy.com/2023/03/26/speciality-of-the-house/

Video here until taken down.
https://ok.ru/video/6896593865414

I tried NBC but nothing came up.
https://www.nbc.com/alfred-hitchcock-presents/video/the-specialty-of-the-house/9000245744

[awesomerwb1]

44. What is "wildly" successful?

Are they bringing in new voters or just preaching to the choir?

As a centrist myself, center left, I would never vote for the right. But I know a few Bernie bro friends who voted for trump in 2016 (and possibly 2024) because they wanted to show the "establishment Dems".

[usonian]

46. Bernie Sanders Packed an Arena in ... Utah

The senator's Fighting Oligarchy tour alongside Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is drawing massive crowds — even in red states

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bernie-sanders-aoc-crowds-red-states-1235316890/

https://archive.ph/qOZ7S

Bernie and AOC strongly supported Joe Biden during his presidency and campaigned vigorously for Harris and Walz.

There are outliers in any distribution of voters, and I strongly discourage "whataboutism". It's the favorite tool of the GOP.

Think "Willie Horton"

[awesomerwb1]

48. That's great

But the Dems have voters in every state including Utah. My question remains, are there a good number of new voters in those crowds, or just Dems/Bernie/AOC voters.

[usonian]

50. You have to ask them.

[awesomerwb1]

54. It would be interesting data to have

Doesn't mean much if they're just preaching to the choir.

[usonian]

63. I caught some videos of the tour, and people said they were flipping.

Bernie's not into fake interviews.

Of course, no statistics were taken.

Proof is in the voting, which has seen gains in red states.

Would like to see lots more.

[awesomerwb1]

66. "Proof"?

So you're attributing these gains in red states to Bernie?
There are cults on both side I guess. Hi ignore feature. Click

[Bluetus]

8. Exactly the point. We don't have to shove people's noses

in our cultural issues. A lot of Americans would be willing to go along with "live and let live". We do more harm than good when we demand that people embrace our favorite cultural causes, repeating our mantra on a word-by-word basis.

We need to learn how to take "yes" for an answer. Or more accurately, to take "I can live with that" as a victory.

[gulliver]

11. Most of those things aren't even popular among Democrats

We really need to pay attention to Democratic voices. These things are not core issues. These so-called cultural issues distract us from our core mission as Democrats. Newsom is right.

People need health care. People need education and good nutrition. The climate needs to be addressed. These fringe issues need to get exactly the attention they deserve based on one person, one voice, one vote. Not "extra" attention based on a minority of extra loud types trying to portray themselves as sweetie pies. Attention equal to their democratically valid priority within the party.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

28. .

People need health care. People need education and good nutrition. The climate needs to be addressed. These fringe issues need to get exactly the attention they deserve

So is trans health care a health care issue or a fringe issue?

[beaglelover]

74. It's part of health care. It doesn't have to be called out as a special issue. Fix healthcare for everyone, incl trans

[WhiskeyGrinder]

79. When Republicans object to trans health care, should Democrats defend it, or fold because it's a niche cultural issue?

[beaglelover]

80. They can just say trans health care is included in our health care plans. No need to dwell on it.

[JI7]

13. A lot of those things are exaggerated by the right wing

they also pick out the most exteme bizarre types on social media and many of these types don't even support Democrats but they make it seem as if that's the position or view of most Democrats.

I think what Newsom is doing is taking control of the narrative.

[uponit7771]

16. I don't see data on those who don't vote, they're going after swing voters which are expensive iirc

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. I can't think of a single Democrat who doesn't use pronouns.

[maxsolomon]

69. I'm a Democrat. I don't have my pronouns in my work signature.

And my workplace encourages us to do so.

But yes, I use pronouns all the time...

[LAS14]

53. Well stated. Sounds like Sunday morning at my church.

One doesn't have to pick these issues out to lead with in order to vote or act on the right side when they come up. But my church leads with them. All three.

[TheProle]

94. When the right wants to strip trans people of rights, if not outright physically harm them

Silence on the D side is complicity

[Skittles]

9. N E W S O M

please.....thanks

[Skittles]

10. *WE* have to be less judgmental???

yeah OK

[LuvLoogie]

83. Being judgemental isn't the problem

It is civil society's weak commitment to justice

The abuse this regime is perpetrating upon those the woke would champion is being normalized.

Peak America. It's disgusting.

[JI7]

12. We have to do whatever we need to win

[Niagara]

17. His surname is spelled Newsom

If an OP wants to accuse him of triangulating while misspelling his name I can't take the OP seriously.

The HuffPost also is NOT a credible source of news.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/huffington-post/

These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports, and omit information reporting that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

I'm going to insert Newsom's entire statement so anyone else can't pick and choose what context they want to share or dissect.

“I mean, I — you know, we could talk about why Kamala lost, which is separate. I mean, it’s part derivative of the larger narrative, but issues around inflation scars. We don’t talk enough about interest rates. We didn’t talk about incumbency. Issues related, you just had Bibi on, related to Israeli politics. Immigration, the border in particular, you could talk about all those things, not just 107 days, not just talk about Biden’s determination or lack thereof in terms of passing the baton. But I think there’s a broader narrative that we ought to address. That is, we have to be more culturally normal. We have to be a little less judgmental. We have to be a party that understands the importance and power of the border substantively and politically.”

You know what else Newsom said at The New York Times DealBook Summit?

"I need to wake everybody up," Newsom said at The New York Times DealBook Summit. "This is the normalization of deviancy, and it was becoming socialized, normalized."

"Call someone the R-word or 'piggy' and somehow it's just Trump being Trump," Newsom went on. "There's nothing normal about this. He's a man-child. It's unbecoming of the President of the United States. He's dressed up as the pope. He's acting like he's Superman. This is not normal."

If “we don’t democratize our economy, we’re not going to save democracy,” Newsom said.

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. I applaud the OP for posting the Huff Post article in GD

and am amazed that anyone on DU could be annoyed enough by that to go to the bother of looking up a website's opinion on it.

"Liberal" is good, here.

[Niagara]

20. There's sources posted here that are not reliable at all

To me it's important to have reliable sources. It always has been. It's not annoyance, it's called facts.


What Newsom said was taken out of context. At least insert his entire statement.


It's not helpful to the Democratic party if people pick and chose what context they want to share. Then the RW go with those talking points.

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. I don't see that the bit you added before excuses what he said

Simply, it's the right wing that are judgmental (of minorities, immigrants, LGBT - especially trans). Newsom saying "we have to be a little less judgmental" is giving in to the lies of the right wing.

[Niagara]

24. Oh, only RW'ers are judgemental on issues?

There's been zero Democratic/progressive/liberal supporters/voters that are judgemental af.


Got it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. In the grand scheme of things, yes, only Republican politicians are judgmental.

If you extend it to supporters/voters, then Democratic supporters or voters may be judgmental, but Republican supporters/voters are racist, misogynist, insane and murderous - as well as judgmental. But when Newsom is talking about what "we" should do, he is obviously talking about what the Democratic party and its candidates should do.

I hope you do get it. Newsom's remark does not help. He's wrong on this. It is indeed triangulation - giving in to the right wing attempt to shift the American center towards the fascism of Trump and Trumpists.

[Blues Heron]

29. We are judgmental of Nazis and fascists, nothing wrong with that. They are judgmental of non whites- big problem

[Jose Garcia]

19. Presidents Obama and Clinton triangulated. President Biden did not.

Clinton and Obama were elected to second terms. Biden was not.

[Blues Heron]

32. Biden stepped down after being hounded out by Clooney et al

[BannonsLiver]

38. And a litany of party leaders.

George doesn’t get all the credit.

[Blues Heron]

39. Et al

[Jose Garcia]

41. He was on his way to a lanndslide loss

No President with approval ratings that low has ever been reelected.

[Blues Heron]

42. He would have won -he's the only one to defeat Trump. Giving up incumbency was highly stupid.

The voting booth is very different than some push poll with an agenda.

[maxsolomon]

75. After that idiot took a pot shot at MFer, the die was cast.

Harris could have been Jesus of Nazareth; it wouldn't have made a difference.

[GreatGazoo]

22. Dems need to find 80/20 issues they can hammer on

It sounds like Newsom is saying that he doesn't want to defend some of the issues the GOP has attacked (?)

What is needed IMHO is a steady pivot toward new offense. "Trump is Hitler" will hit its expiration date in 2028, if not sooner. What is needed is for Dems to find the 80/20 issues and framing that put the GOP on defense and then to ride those to victory.

[mainer]

23. All my lefty family members are tired of the pronoun thing

We include 2 lesbians, a Democratic socialist and two old baby boomers. The whole "get my pronouns right or else" thing broke us. My son the college teacher got chewed out for forgetting a student's preferred pronouns. This demand for left wing purity ends up castigating those who have the best intentions but make mistakes. I understand where Newsom's coming from.

[muriel_volestrangler]

27. Which Democratic candidates were demanding that?

Name names, please.

[mainer]

43. I'm not referring to particular candidates

I'm talking about "the liberal purity test" and how we Democrats need to firmly shut down conversation about which candidate is pure enough to support. MAGA has used it against us, and it's stirred up anger because people feel beleaguered about having to adhere to such strict standards. Certainly it's a problem on college campuses where teachers like my son got called into the administrative offices because he refused to add his pronouns to his email signature.

[muriel_volestrangler]

47. So this is not about Democrats, ie what Newsom was talking about.

It's about an administrator on that college campus. And if it's about that administrator, why call for censoring ourselves? What has "which candidate is pure enough to support" got to do with the administrator?

If MAGA spread lies when they "used it against us", then stand up to the lies - say "that's not 'us', that's an idiot administrator, and his name is X - the Republicans are lying that this is a Democratic policy". Don't fall for the Republican BS - fight against it.

[BannonsLiver]

35. ...

[NoMoreRepugs]

30. Culturally normal another way to say the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few??

[BannonsLiver]

33. He's not wrong.

🤷‍♂️

[Emile]

34. So is he pushing a purity test for the party?

[BannonsLiver]

36. The opposite, actually.

[Emile]

37. LOL, I don't think so!

He's the one who brought it up.

[BannonsLiver]

40. If you say so.

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Real purity tests might be something like getting pressured into giving an answer to a question that could end up featured on a damaging TV ad, or other form of messaging down the road because it was so out of step with the mainstream, even if the person giving that answer had good intentions.

[maxsolomon]

70. I know exactly what you're referring to.

That ad 100% struck a chord with "culturally normal" voters. It's willful blindness to refuse to acknowledge it.

[BannonsLiver]

87. It's verboten to discuss but you are of course correct.

[Nixie]

45. He's saying to drop the purity tests.

He is saying to quit pushing purity tests.

The purity tests have alienated voters, Then we lose. So he is saying to not be so judgmental over purity tests and alienating voters.

[Emile]

49. I guess it depends on which side of the political spectrum

your on.

[Nixie]

51. He's definitely not on the spectrum that alienates voters with

purity tests.

The resistance to this common sense suggestion is very noticeable in this thread where people want to attack him for not being pure enough.

[Emile]

52. As I said, it depends on what side of the political spectrum your on.

[Nixie]

55. We've all seen enough of this insistence and labeling of

politicians that is based on nothing but purity tests.

[LAS14]

57. See my post #56. nt

[Emile]

58. Purity tests, on which side of the spectrum are you talking about?

The one that keeps insisting we can't win in red districts unless we run a centrist?

[Nixie]

60. Centrist is really the obvious purity test. A way of smearing our candidates

for not being pure enough.

[Emile]

61. Then if centrist is a smear, why do some politicians call themselves centrist?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats_(United_States)
https://www.centristdems.com/

[Nixie]

71. The purity test smear is obviously that being normal, as in not being

fringe, is a smear. This is a circular nonsensical disinformation campaign now, as the smear is that leading from the center is somehow a bad thing. Hence the smearing of most good Democrats. It’s not a bad thing to not alienate most voters who are in the center.

[Emile]

73. Are you saying , if you are not a centrist, you are fringe?

When someone says we can't win in a red district unless the candidate is centrist, isn't that smearing progressives?

[Nixie]

93. Denying there is a political middle isn't "progressive."

It’s just denial. Denying political realities isn’t “progressive.” It’s just a disinformation campaign based on purity tests.

[Emile]

95. You still haven't answered my two questions.

1. If you are not a centrist (Political Middle), you are fringe?

2. When someone says we can't win in a red district unless the candidate is centrist, isn't that smearing progressives?

3. Where did I deny political realities?

[Nixie]

97. I doubt you need my answers to any of your distractions to

common sense and simple political truths. The insistence on victimization because the wrong candidate in the wrong district is just plain dumb politics doesn’t need anyone’s time to explain.

[Emile]

98. You just described a purity test! Thank you!

Wrong candidate in the wrong district is just plain dumb politics (according to one wing of the party).

[Nixie]

99. Your contrived set up was the purity test. Just run a candidate because

of magic words we like with no regard to actually winning. That’s a beauty contest, not a political campaign.

Newsom is focused on actually winning. Yay.

[Emile]

100. You do know there are 6 wings to the democratic party?

Showing disapproval to one of the wings, is not a way to win elections.

[Nixie]

101. Oh

the irony

[Emile]

102. Just being literal.

[betsuni]

72. Centrist/establishment/status quo/corporate Dems: anti-progressive, corrupt, elite Them. Us: Righteous victims.

Redefining and weaponizing words to create Us versus Them division. Nearly every day Jeffries or Schumer are nitpicked to purity hell and back and Democrats lavishly insulted.

Centrist is the new establishment as an insult but it just doesn't sound as impressive, could be the name of a multivitamin supplement.

[LAS14]

56. Curiosity here - not trying to make a point.

For sure members of the left (my church, see post up thread) can be characterized as leading with issues like pronouns and land acknowledgement, but what public Democrats do? I think even AOC and Bernie lead with economic issues these days.

So where does the whole party get this reputation? If it's not based on fact, how can we fight it?

As I said, genuine question, not a position in an argument.

[muriel_volestrangler]

67. I think Democrats should make your point - that public Democrats are not leading with those issues

or indeed making them minor issues (that is, saying other people should be paying more attention to them; I'm sure many Democrats have "specified their pronouns" somewhere, but there's a difference between that and saying that everyone ought to do it).

When a MAGA talking point is not based on fact, say so - say they're making stuff up. And say that means they are not trustworthy.

[justaprogressive]

59. Gov. Newsom has been left behind in his judgement of what's "Culturally Normal"

[MustLoveBeagles]

62. He's buying into RW framing again

And he was doing so well

[Emile]

89. He was doing well, now I'm not impressed.

[MustLoveBeagles]

90. I'm not either

He's better when he's trolling Dozo the 🤡

[Emile]

91. Alienating part of the party is not going to win elections.

[MustLoveBeagles]

92. No it isn't

[bucolic_frolic]

76. We lead with tolerance

but get pasted with extreme micro-examples of its implications.

We should keep returning to the broad princples instead.

[BlueTsunami2018]

77. Focusing on the wrong things all the time.

It’s class, class, class. That should be the beginning and the end of it. Working class vs. ruling class is all there really is.

Any time you’re asked about any of this stupid, divisive, culture war shit, you answer with class.

“How do you feel about transgender people?”

“They’re in the working class and it’s all of us against the ruling class. We need universal healthcare, education, housing and employment. There’s no reason why all the wealth should go to the very few when the people who create that wealth get nothing.”

“Black lives matter vs. all lives matter?”

“Improving conditions for the working class is what we’re focused on. Ending poverty with universal healthcare, housing, education and employment. There’s no reason, in the richest country in the world, that everyone shouldn’t have their basic needs met.”

Name the culture war issue, that’s the answer. Always spin it back to working class and improving their lives.

But these politicians continue to buy into the division. Because the people who buy them want it that way.

[BannonsLiver]

81. Would that also be the response when a member of that community asks one of our politicians how they feel about them?

Somehow I’m not sure that would go over very well in that community, which is why what you’re proposing doesn’t quite work. Sounds great though. But in practice it doesn’t cover all the bases. I’m glad Newsom is staking out this territory now. It’s one of many reasons why I plan on voting for him should he run.

[muriel_volestrangler]

84. If you think he's staking out territory well, what do you think his answer would be

to a transgender or Black person who asks him how he feels about them?

"We have to be more culturally normal. We have to be a little less judgmental. We have to be a party that understands the importance and power of the border substantively and politically." ?

Do you really think that "covers all the bases", for a transgender or Black person?

[BannonsLiver]

85. He answered that in his podcast some were pressed about in March.

It doesn’t sound like you’re going to be voting for him in the UK Democratic primary lol.

[muriel_volestrangler]

86. Give me a link

Google what - "transgender person asks Newsom on his podcast what he thinks of him"?

https://calmatters.org/commentary/2025/03/gavin-newsom-podcast-trans-community/

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/06/gavin-newsom-breaks-with-democrats-on-trans-athletes-in-sports-00215436

Those are the top 3 results. Looks like he alienated the trans community, doesn't it? Not the result you're hoping for.

[RandySF]

78. Newsom, no 'e'.

[Skittles]

88. very telling it has not been fixed

comments from the poster, either

[Shipwack]

108. Telling, or maybe I've been busy?

I deeply regret the error. I’ve tried to change it a couple of times, but I keep getting an error message in tiny script that I can’t read on my phone.

Nothing nefarious about it not being corrected. I’ll endeavor to be more careful in the future.

[Skittles]

113. IT STILL HAS NOT BEEN FIXED

WTF

if there's an "issue with that" ask the Admin

DONE HERE

[demmiblue]

96. I, for one, will never vote for him in the primary if he runs.

In the general, I always vote D.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

103. Let's see...

Three tiny, cryptic paragraphs taken out of context critical of an effective Democrat. Hm.

Purity testing 101. Fastest, easiest way to divide Dems.

So predictable it's boring.

[betsuni]

105. But they work really hard on it, like washing machines.

[Nixie]

106. +1, yes, so desperate to continue the coveted victimization

when reality is this has all gone unchallenged far too long. Thank goodness for Newsom daring to start critiquing the critiquers.

[Niagara]

111. We've seen this attempt of gaslighting before

It's pathetic, especially when the gaslighting attempts happen on DU.


There's two manipulators in this thread I'll have to watch out for in the future.

[Emile]

104. What are the rules to being more culturally normal?

Culturally Normal

[The Bopper]

107. To me

It means we'll never get enough middle of the road people back, if we insist that all we are is anything but white males should be included in the conversation.. In my area anything guns, loses, no matter how right it is.. Point being we can't include everyone if we exclude anyone who doesn't agree with us on one point who may agree on 10 others..

[Shipwack]

109. OP here. I deeply regret spelling the governor's name wrong.

No disrespect intended.

I’m not perfect, and haven’t had enough time to correct the mistake. I promise to be more careful in the future.

I’ve tried fixing the spelling, but I keep getting an error message in tiny print that I can’t decipher.

[QueerDuck]

110. I wouldn't worry about it. I do not understand the hypersensitivity about the extra e. I certainly do not see it...

as being any sort of "disrespect". The spelling Newsome (with an 'e') is significantly more common as a surname than Newsom (without an 'e'), at least in the United States.

According to data from the 2010 United States Census:
-- Newsome was the 1491st most common surname, belonging to approximately 23,958 individuals.
-- Newsom was the 3218th most common surname, belonging to approximately 11,218 individuals.

The spelling without the 'e' (Newsom) is often considered a variant of the more common Newsome spelling.

In my life, every Newsome I've known (friends, colleagues) all four of them... have had the e spelling. This seems like such a silly thing for people to get so upset over, or for anyone to be suspicious about you. It's a chat room, not a thesis paper. Not a wikipedia page. There was no confusion who you were referring to (or should I say "to whom you were referring"... you never know... I might upset someone.)

[Shipwack]

112. Thanks! nt

[Jack Valentino]

115. So would you rather have Newsom as the next President,

or Vance, Trump Jr., or some other Republican (Nazi) ???


A Democrat in the White House
is much more likely to listen to what Democrats want---

Before we get that again, this kind of purity
is just a lot of bullshit--

[DFW]

116. "Been away so long I hardly knew the place...."

I have no idea what the whole “pronoun” issue is. I wasn’t aware there even was such an issue, nor what in the world it’s all about.

Stuck here in Harlan County, Kentucky—OK, not really, I’m in western Europe, all I’m concerned with is petty local issues, like the world’s economies, the Ukraine, American belligerence toward Latin America, and Trump and the Republicans kissing Putin’s ass. Paying too much attention to trivial issues like those, I guess it’s no wonder I missed the big picture like pronouns.

(I’m serious—someone wanna fill me in here?)

[betsuni]

117. I think this is what you're looking for:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preferred_gender_pronoun

[DFW]

118. It gives a general background, thanks

It doesn't explain why the subject has suddenly acquired more importance than the number of urban homeless in our major cities, forever chemicals in our drinking water, or how Ukrainians will keep themselves warm over the winter.

I must be suffering from beginning dementia.

[Fix The Stupid]

120. This thread is everything that is wrong with the Dems and why you lost to this idiot.

GASPS! ' OP spelled his name wrong!!' - off to the gulag with you, you must be a RW troll

"Pronouns!! - you better be using them correctly!!' - again..

Maybe one day it will get figured out here...but after losing 2X to the most unelectable person in the history of politics, I am not so sure...

Sad state of affairs.